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ryan ,

Are you the same person as this guy? You seem to keep making new accounts and posts to hide your post history and complain about redditors.

I certainly can't know whether what you've experienced is actually toxicity or just criticism, as I can't see your post history. But any site with sufficient mass will be flooded with people like this. All the way back to 1993.

Part of being online anywhere with open signups and free discussion is just dealing with that sort of thing. The only way to prevent it is to spin up your own defederate instance and only allow people to join who you deem worthy of conversation with.

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

Oh nice, stalkers. Cool, said no one.

And no I disagree, the only way to prevent toxicity is for a moderation team to give a damn and maybe for the toxic users to realize that they won't be tolerated. I've never understood this stance where the "best" way to deal with something is to just find your own gathering. I don't have a following and I don't want to develop some following so I feel like I can talk. Everyone should have the privilege to talk where they want without the pressure of being antagonized.

The problem isn't the other people. The problem is the individuals who get confrontational and pose problematic behaviors. Not the other way around.

deegeese ,
@deegeese@sopuli.xyz avatar

If you keep trying to change human nature you’re going to be disappointed.

Complaining that other people do not live up to your standards is tiresome.

Easier to go where you are comfortable than to insist others change their behavior.

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

Who says I'm trying to change the entirety of human behavior?

What standards?

I've been hopping an awful lot from platform to platform at this point, trying to find this "comfort". You and other people have been encouraging this idea of isolation which isn't healthy on the human mind, just so you know, so you're coming off as blatantly unhelpful.

Changing people's behaviors isn't my goal, infact, I am having difficulty finding this invented problem you've made about changing people's behaviors. When, all I've said up and down, that I've noted of said behaviors and that I advocate we should not welcome it. Where are you getting this concept, besides inventing it, that it is about changing behavior? You can't change an asshole's behavior, they're going to be assholes regardless. All I'm saying is to reject it and make them unwelcome because they have no place in ecosystems where we're all trying to collectively be contributing and civil whereas, they're not.

deegeese ,
@deegeese@sopuli.xyz avatar

Your whole post is complaining that people on Reddit are being jerks on Lemmy and telling everyone else what to do about it.

Go where the jerks aren’t.

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

Uh, no.

Why should I have to be hopping because people decide, mind you, to be intolerant? It's a you problem, not a me problem, as hard as a fight as you're trying to win in making me believe otherwise. You're spinning so hard.

deegeese ,
@deegeese@sopuli.xyz avatar

Ah the old “everyone’s wrong except me”.

Good luck with that.

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

They actually seem to have moved off lemmy and onto kbin (where we are right now)

Slowy ,
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If you want to take up the time burden of moderating large communities for free you can contribute to the solution but it is a lot of work with no compensation, so there is a valid reason that throwing more moderation at the problem is much easier said than done

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

I'm probably some of the few people who'll actually be glad to be moderating large communities. The problem is that, people wouldn't like how I handle things because god forbid I actually move and act to resolve problems. Than letting it sit there and just remain untouched like I see so other instances of moderation do.

Slowy ,
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Well fortunately on Lemmy people can create multiple versions of the same community to be ran in different manners. People can vote with subscribership. Beehaw is an example of a more heavily moderated instance that might align better with your goals and opinions about this. If the space you’re in takes a more laissez-faire approach to moderation, but that is the general desire of the community, it makes sense not to impose your desires on them if other more congruent options exist.

ubermeisters ,
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read as: your rules would be blatantly unfair and people should deal with it because you are smarter than them

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

You'd just be mad because I'd have to ban you dozens of times because you can't be civil. That's my interpretation of your reply.

ubermeisters ,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

i’d like to see where I was uncivil to you in the slightest.

disagreement is not inherently uncivil. I think you are so used to the echo chamber on reddit that you’ve found yourself in a place where people actually call you out on your obvious bullshit, and you can not handle it.

evolve or move on buddy.

okmko ,

I love how this random post suddenly devolves into one of the most drama filled threads I’ve seen on my brief time on Lemmy so far 😆.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@kbin.social avatar

Please do not ever apply to moderate anything. You will destroy the community. To be quite honest, with the attitude on display in this thread, you would be one of the first people to earn themselves a ban from somewhere I was in charge of.

Personally I've extremely rarely ever had the sorts of experiences you claim to have either on reddit or on the Fediverse. Especially not having groups of people hunt me down for my opinions. If everywhere you go smells like shit, you should check your own shoes - I find it difficult to believe that you haven't been bringing this upon yourself with your behavior.

abff08f4813c ,

Hey, it's the fediverse! Make your own instance and your own magazines on there, and if there are like-minded folks who appreciate your moderation, your instance will grow. You'd generally not have to depend on the whims of other mods or admins that way, but have nearly full control over your own safe space.

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

Honestly, from your posts in this thread, you're the last kind of person I'd want moderating a community.

Pratai ,

You seem pretty toxic to me.

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

Whatever, in your book. Block and move on.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Done and done!

ubermeisters ,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

… you dont need to be a stalker to recognize the connection between both the usernames and thee expressed issues posted about by both accounts…

But now that we are on the subject, seems you are adding enough negativity of your own to Lemmy that others started talking note of you. That doesn’t sit well with your expressed point of view on all this. Maybe consider that.

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

You must have a very distinctive description in how you define what stalking is. I'm going by the universally agreed definition of what stalking is. This is, on all accounts, stalking and they knew that.

I can't quite care. Because, I know very well that I'm not the one who threw the first stone in the first place. But everyone still hasn't grown up past the phase in their childhood where they can't take accountability for their actions, so it MUST be the person they're scapegoating because that person is addressing the shit they refuse to owe up to. It's very childish and I'm ashamed to know so many self-acclaimed "sophisticated adults" behave like children, still.

You're making it sound like I'm running for some office, which isn't the case. Might want to tune down the dramatizing tone a bit.

ubermeisters ,
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here we go with you making up your own scenarios so you can justify yourself within them. neat trick.

Stalking is already a defined word.

  1. pursue or approach stealthily.
  2. harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention.

Pointing out similarities between two accounts is neither harassment nor persecution, and you only find it “unwanted” because its inconvenient for your case and shows how childish you are. You posted hoping for an attaboy and didn’t get one, so you waited and rewrote your gripes with a new user account and a new spin, hoping for some attention. Its super clear to everyone else.

Asking for accountability isn’t unique to politicians and their constituents, especially when the subject matter of your post is that you want this to be a better place. while you drag it down further.

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

One of which was committed. They directly linked an entirely different post and asked if it was me. That's entirely stalking. I know you're trying so hard to be righteous in everything but, learn to be wrong for once. It's embarrassing how desperate you are to paint me as the villain and to make yourself look virtuous. God, I can feel the entitlement levels from here.

But I'm done with you, because you're clearly unreasonable. Blocked.

ubermeisters ,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

yes me, attempting to reason with your duplicitous nature, is unreasonable. SURE

gamermanh ,
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It’s in no reasonable definition stalking, shut up

Yet again ignoring that it doesn’t matter who threw the first stone, perpetuating the negativity is not how adults handle things

snownyte OP ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

If you were in my scenario, you'd totally be saying it different but just because you're on the outside of it, you're pretty ignorant. Therefore, you should shut up. :)

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had people click my profile before my guy, it’s not stalking in any way

You seem to lack the basic grasp of how to use a site like this, you should probably stop until you figure it out better

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

The problem isn't the other people. The problem is the individuals who get confrontational and pose problematic behaviors. Not the other way around.

No one else has been confrontational in this discussion except you.

You are using Kbin, which means you can block not just magazines/communities, but instances, and individual users.

I imagine increased moderation will come in time, to some communities on some instances, but frankly one of the benefits of the Fediverse is the control it gives you over who can and cannot make it into your feed. This is a lot of foot stomping about something you can largely control yourself.

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

You are using Kbin, which means you can block not just magazines/communities, but instances, and individual users.

This. I really think they haven't got their head around what kbin is, yet.

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

I've never understood this stance where the "best" way to deal with something is to just find your own gathering

What would your alternative be? Are you one of those types of people that want to censor people you disagree with? If someone says something that hurts your fee-fees, fucking ignore them. Really easy to do.

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