You're either an egalitarian, or you're a sexist ( kbin.social )

As egalitarians, we want all people to be treated with equal consideration. There should be no favorites. All people, be they men, women, or children, deserve the same human rights, and the same amount of support.

As it comes to gender, which is our focus here, there are still many problems to be addressed. But we call upon all, paraphrasing a famous actress: you're either an egalitarian, or you're a sexist.

What do you think?

Drolo ,

Agree. The point is that feminist is nor about equality, is about face women against men. That is why when feminists come to power they make discriminatory laws against men, it's not because they are "radical" or they don't understand feminism, it's because feminism is that, it's hatred of men.

That's why we must reject feminism and at the same time be in favor of equality between men and women.

KevinRambutan ,

When Emma said what she said, I seriously doubt she thought about male issues. Not that I blame her completely, since society in general is so blind when it comes to issues that primarily or uniquely affect men. Sometimes they are even reframed to become ‘Benevolent Sexism’ against women.

But yes, I agree with the premise of this post.

RandoCalrandian ,
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All male issues, when brought up, get thrown back in men's faces about how it's actually sexism against women. Feminism is cancer on society.

dil ,

Feminism is not cancer. Can you talk about some of the issues that get thrown back in men's faces?

RandoCalrandian ,
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Feminism is absolutely cancer. It, as an ideology, is as toxic and cancerous to gender relations as the KKK is to race relations, and we know this because feminists adlib the same bigoted arguments that racists and Nazis and KKK members use and have historically used.

As an example of them doing exactly this: gendering of domestic violence data collection to minimize male victims, hide female perpetrators, and throw any attempts at including males back in those males’ faces with fallacious and insanely sexist takes like “who is causing the violence” (which they also only say after hiding the female perpetrators)

Edit: this is called Gamma bias, btw, and is one of many examples of feminists using KKK tactics against men. For those who would like to see feminists version of Mein Kampf, it’s called the S.C.U.M. Manifesto and has been cited as a “seminal feminist work” by feminists in politics who are creating this sexist DV legislation

elouboub ,
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Menimism is a group of humans focused on single issue: men's issues.

Feminism is a group of humans focused on a single issue: women's issues.

Why do you think the former will evolve in a different direction than the latter?

You call feminism cancer, radical feminists think men are the cause of all issues. Why do you think behaving like them and copying their rhetoric is good? Why is it wrong for them to think badly of all men, and you to think badly of an entire movement? Do you think that hatred for each other on both sides is the solution?

elouboub ,
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I think this is a perfect portrayal of "you're either with us or you're against us". It is a binary view, a dichotomy, of a complex issue that invokes the need to choose sides and see others as the enemy.

Life is not that simple.

Hottie-Ressie-Zessie ,

Eeeeehhh it just sounds like "You're either a feminist or incel terrorist" which isn't productive

Dienervent ,

From a practical perspective, if someone for example takes the stance that if you're not a feminist you're a sexist and refuses the label of egalitarian. Then they're obviously the sexist one.

From a more theoretical but still really important perspective, life is a quite a bit more complicated than that.

Two person may believe different facts about the world, and as a result have opposite expectations for how an egalitarian person should behave. Obviously in this situation at least one of them would be wrong, but in practice, getting all the facts right is hard enough that I expect that often times both people aren't completely right about their facts.

Even if both persons are egalitarian minded and have the same facts, they can have different ways to interpret these facts (aka they have different ideologies), which can again lead to them having opposite expectations for how an egalitarian person should act. I'd argue that some ideologies are much more suspect than others, unsurprisingly I tend to find feminist ideologies extremely suspect.

Even if both persons have the same facts AND they interpret them in the same ways. They may value different things which would again lead to different expectation as to how an egalitarian person should act.

Of course anti-egalitarians who want to leverage the political power of presenting themselves as egalitarian will use all three of these as tools to hide their true agenda.

hotpotato138 ,

I agree!

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