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stolid_agnostic ,

I’m now convinced that a lot of this is trolling. People who say “Well I’m Muslim and it bothers me that Biden supports Israel so I won’t vote for him” have to be completely out of touch with reality or are completely fake. Same thing here–not voting for Biden ensures that Trump wins, and your theoretical third-party person has no chance of doing anything except dilute the vote.

So? I’m really not buying this narrative or these polls anymore. The respondents are either morons or plants.

PowerCrazy ,

Healthy democracy you’ve got here, where people who have real complaints about the parties of capital and genocide are dismissed as “trolls.”

How about “fuck you,” supporting israel in any manner should should be automatic disqualification from any possible democratic process. If you don’t accept that you don’t deserve any of the rights described in the bill of rights.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

This is what an unrepentant settler fascist looks and sounds like.

Kusimulkku ,

You think Trump would do better or worse in this situation? Because those are the two options Americans get, as much as it sucks.

bouh ,

It would be so sad if, in a democracy, you were able to vote for your ideals instead of voting against fascism isn’t it?

stolid_agnostic ,

It would be nice if Smurfs walked around singing all day long but that’ll never happen either.

spudwart ,
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This isn’t a democracy. I’m tired of pretending it is.

If it were even attempting something close to a democracy, we’d have rank choice voting and more direct say in actions.

And most importantly, we would not have UN-elected government positions.

Beetschnapps ,

It would be so sad if people saw reality as less than perfect and as a result petulantly made it worse.

Doubledee ,
@Doubledee@hexbear.net avatar

“I cannot conceive of the idea that people can dislike my preferred political choice for any valid reason. Not picking my preferred choice would mean a thing I don’t prefer would happen. Nobody could possibly want that.”

I love that this is how libs are going to deal with their deeply unpopular genocidaire, just pretend he’s actually popular and fine. Real winning strategy there, I hope democracy isn’t on the line.

ShimmeringKoi , (edited )
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Yeah, the people who don’t want to vote for the fascist sending bombs to an ethnostate to kill their friends and families? They’re the out of touch morons.

WetBeardHairs ,

One is a neoliberal that embraces a political philosophy where you turn a blind eye to suffering abroad for stability and prosperity at home.

The other is a wannabe dictator that repeatedly echos hitler and will lead to civil war where your neighbors, family, and yourself are put at risk of death and the destruction of your livelyhood.

One of them is more imminently dangerous to the voters who are tasked with casting votes.

voight ,
@voight@hexbear.net avatar

Where’s the prosperity at home, Jack?

WetBeardHairs ,

Aren’t you a multimillionare capitalist yet?

voight ,
@voight@hexbear.net avatar

Do you think Biden doing the same shit as Trump but under the banner of civil rights and progressivism could be deletrious to the goals of those movements here?

Admittedly he did throw $4B at green hydrogen as we fall behind Namibia and Mongolia in green energy production. 😒

WetBeardHairs ,

If there were a viable third option I would vote for them. Being moral in this situation means Trump would get elected and my family would be victims of political violence while that same apathetic blind eye turns away from us. It’s a personal threat to my physical safety if Trump is elected.

I politically align with Repugnicans by about 2%, Democrats by about 10%. I don’t want either. But I only have 1/300,000,000 shares of power in America to enact my will and it is “i don’t want to be dragged from my home and shot”. And yes, that does mean I am voting in the interest of myself not being dragged from my home and shot while the president actively throws bombs on a warzone where that happens to other people on the other side of the planet. It fucking sucks. But being moral here will result in my fucking death.

voight ,
@voight@hexbear.net avatar

Biden isn’t saving anyone. Reactionaries think neoliberal policies being implemented by Biden are communism, they think Lula is communist.

The democratic party is a shambling pile of donors that’s why they need Hillary. They feed off of us.

Biden is worse than Trump, and Trump 2 will ge worse than Biden. Every president is exponentially worse than the last.

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TheLepidopterists ,
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He’s not turning a blind eye, he’s actively facilitating a genocide.

Many people are more moral than you and refuse to support anyone supporting a genocide.

WetBeardHairs ,

If there were a viable third option I would vote for them. Being moral in this situation means Trump would get elected and my family would be victims of political violence while that same apathetic blind eye turns away from us. It’s a personal threat to my physical safety if Trump is elected.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Oh well shit, better kill millions of others to slightly delay it then. Carry on, my good liberal.

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

right, so you care more about you and yours than millions of people in palestine. sounds about white

WetBeardHairs ,

Yes. It’s not my job to stop all the wars in the world. I’m not going to sacrifice myself for that because it wouldn’t make a difference.

TheLepidopterists ,
@TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net avatar

I’m not asking you to be a superhero who ends all war, I’m telling you that when you support Joe Biden you’re actively supporting a current ongoing genocide that he’s facilitating. It’s not that I’m criticizing you for not doing enough for others, I’m criticizing you for actively aiding a genocide. All you have to do is stop doing that.

People who decline to aid and abet a genocide are a better people than people who agree to help aid and abet that genocide.

WetBeardHairs ,

I don’t support his actions.
But I have to vote against trump or else my family and myself will be dragged from our home and shot by radicals.
A vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for Trump in my state.

I’m working to move away from these radicals but it’s expensive and time consuming and I likely will not be able to do that before the 24 election

TheLepidopterists ,
@TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net avatar

Voting for someone is literally supporting his actions.

You’ll be complicit in a genocide for the rest of your life. I recognize that this won’t sway you but I want you to know what good people are going to think of you going forward.

WetBeardHairs ,

you guys need to shut the fuck up already

TheLepidopterists ,
@TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net avatar

EDIT: Sorry my previous comment was uncivil.

Rephrased: I will not be ordered around by someone voting for genocide.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

“Wahh stop making me think about why my children will one day put me in a home wahhh”

The gore on your hands will never wash off, hog.

TC_209 ,

I was going to vote for Biden but now I won’t because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they’ve even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

In the coming days, and for the rest of your life; when you close your eyes, may the voices of those whose blood you’ve decided to wash your hands in devil you from your rest, and chase you through the emptied catacombs of your mind until the sun comes back up.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Motherfucker it’s your job as an alleged human being to at least not actively support it

WetBeardHairs ,

Who says I give a fuck about humanity? We’ve shown ourselves time and time again to do the selfish thing to fuck people over. Guess what? I’m one of them. My selfish thing is “I don’t want to be murdered by terrorists.” There are terrorists over there and there are terrorists next door. Which one is imminently a threat to me? Not the one that is across the planet. But the second Trump gets power, he has said he will not prosecute terrorists.

ShimmeringKoi , (edited )
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Ugh, another “Humans are inherently bad” edgelord projecting their solipsism and historical illiteracy for all to see. If humans are so bad, why are you so concerned with sparing yourself, or with who dies for that matter? No, your faux-world weary nihilism is just a paper-thin cover for your atavistic selfishness. You don’t want to have to think about the mountain of skulls we were born on top of, you just want to go back to consuming cheap treats while the real terrorists do the killing for you, and you can’t even be bothered to construct more than the most half-assed epistemology to soothe the little part of you that knows you’re choosing to be a monster.

Fascism isn’t a risk or a possibility, it’s fucking here. It’s been here, except it’s not evenly distributed. It will continue to be unevenly distributed even after it engulfs you, and you will look back and see your former cohort making excuses and reassuring themselves that there was nothing poor little them could have done to save you. First they came for the communists, then they came for the immigrants, then they came for the lgbtq, now they’re coming for the Palestinians. You can either cower and smugly support their genocides until they come for you too, or you can realize that no individual ever makes a difference, and throw your weight in with the mass of humanity who you currently oppose with your dead-end ideological lethargy. “Oh you have to vote for the blue genocider and not the red one”, how about fuck that, both of those ghouls and the empire they serve must die so that humanity can live.

if you really want to make the sane and realistic choice at this juncture in history, then it’s time to grow the fuck up and become a communist.

satanicllamaplaza ,

You and trump got a lot in common. Hell you and Biden too. You should feel bad. Have a good day.

Adkml ,

“Turning a blind eye” - that guy

“There will absolutely not be any conditions on our aid to Isreal, the only condition is defending isreal” - Biden

Sounds like he’s got his eye pretty squarely on the prize to me

brain_in_a_box ,

Liberals, as ever, unable to accept that anybody might honestly disagree with them.

stolid_agnostic ,

You, as ever, unable to provide a single idea of what the alternative is.

brain_in_a_box ,

The alternative is that people legitimately disagree with you, genius.

stolid_agnostic ,

Yet are unwilling to state what that disagreement actually is. You’re definitely a reactionary. You’re here for the angries.

brain_in_a_box ,

My disagreement is with the idea that people can’t legitimately disagree with liberals, as I have stated. Spare me the insults.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/70961438-448c-4cf1-b408-23d604a8980b.jpeg somebody is definitely a reactionary lol

GarbageShoot ,

People who say “Well I’m Muslim and it bothers me that Biden supports Israel so I won’t vote for him” have to be completely out of touch with reality or are completely fake

“If you aren’t voting for me, you’re not Muslim, Jack”

420blazeit69 ,

here–not voting for Biden ensures that Trump wins

Too late – I didn’t vote for Trump so Biden wins

Adkml ,

I’m not voting for either which means I’m actually voting for both of them which means I’m legally voting twice.

Why do libs insist on only voting once when they could vote for neither and vote twice. Why are they neglecting their right to vote by only voting half as much as if they didn’t vote for anybody.

Also this argument makes lots of sense.

DengistDonnieDarko ,
@DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net avatar

I will not be voting for Biden biden-troll

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