Opinion - Trump's dementia challenge: Fear of Alzheimer's has him scrambling ( www.salon.com )

On Sunday night, Donald Trump threw down the gauntlet at the feet of Rupert Murdoch and his sons, Joe Biden and the “WSJ heads.” He posted this cri de guerre on his social media platform, Truth Social:

In a phony and probably rigged Wall Street Journal poll, coming out of nowhere to soften the mental incompetence blow that is so obvious with Crooked Joe Biden, they ask about my age and mentality. Where did that come from? A few years ago I was the only one to agree to a mental acuity test, & ACED IT. Now that the Globalists at Fox & the WSJ have failed to push their 3rd tier candidate to success, they do this. Well, I hereby challenge Rupert Murdoch & Sons, Biden, WSJ heads, to acuity tests!

He added:

I will name the place and the test, and it will be a tough one. Nobody will come even close to me! We can also throw some physical activity into it. I just won the Senior Club Championship at a big golf club, with many very good players. To do so you need strength, accuracy, touch and, above all, mental toughness. Ask Bret Baier (Fox), a very good golfer. The Wall Street Journal & Fox are damaged goods after their failed DeSanctimonious push & stupid $780,000,000 “settlement.” MORONS!!!

That’s just a little bit over the top even for him, don’t you think?

All the Wall Street Journal did was publish a poll question asking whether Biden and Trump were too old to be president. Trump’s own pollster was a partner in the poll so he should probably take it up with him. And despite the fact that he’s 77 years old and would be 78 when he re-assumes the presidency should he win in 2024, he seems to think that’s off limits because he “aced” the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) test given to him some years ago by his favorite White House doctor Ronny Jackson.

The test is designed to track cognitive changes over time. It’s not an “acuity” test or an IQ test but Trump has gone back to it again and again as proof of his mental fitness. In the famous interview in which he bragged that he had been able to remember a string of words, he explained that it was actually quite difficult:

No normal person would make such a big deal out of that test because it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that it’s just a memory test that many elderly people take to see if they may have signs of dementia. He acts as though he just scored 1600 on the SAT (which, by the way, he reportedly paid someone to take for him.) Or maybe he thinks the MoCA is actually MENSA?

He’s terrified of developing Alzheimer’s disease because his father had it.

This incessant reminder that he was able to take this very simple test and that all the doctors were shocked because nobody ever does that well is just … pathetic. And it’s very telling. It’s one thing to just assert that you are a very stable genius, as preposterous as that is, but it’s quite another to brag about passing a very rudimentary memory test over and over and over again.

And it is rudimentary.

He knows that he’s not all that bright and it drives him crazy. Back in July of 2022 he told his rally crowd:

"I said 'Ronnie, I don’t like when people call me stupid. I have great heritage, an uncle who was a great, great genius, a father who was a genius, they’re all geniuses, we had a lot of geniuses. I don’t like being called stupid. Is there a test I can take to prove to these radical left maniacs that I’m much smarter than them?

He’s worried. He’s been worried for years. He had heard talk that people might want to remove him for “incapacitation” and gave a speech to the Heritage Foundation in which he claimed that “they” were trying to get him with an “Article 5.” But he claimed that since he took the test, “they don’t think about it now, the 25th Amendment. They don’t think about that now at all, they never mention the 25th. But they would never – any time I had a great idea they would mention –‘25th Amendment, there’s something wrong with him.’”

If only "they " had had the guts to do it.

He’s terrified of developing Alzheimer’s disease because his father had it. As the New York Times reported at the time of his “person, woman, man, camera TV” moment, he said, “…I have, like, a good memory, because I’m cognitively there. Now, Joe should take that test, because something’s going on and, and, I say this with respect. I mean — going to probably happen to all of us, right? You know? It’s going to happen.”

CADmonkey ,

My wife works with the elderly, and has since 2014. I distinctly remember her words when she saw trump speaking on TV:

“That man has dementia.”

I believe her because she would know.

Chetzemoka ,

For the record, my grandmother with actual Alzheimer's continued to ace the MoCA tests long after we had taken her keys and checkbook away. Not all mental deficits are revealed by those tests.

cabron_offsets ,

All presidential candidates should have to solve a series of challenging sudokus live on TV. If you can’t do a logic puzzle, GTFO.

adespoton ,

But that’s only of value to people who can solve them. To everyone else it’s pointless.

And there’s always a sizeable chunk of “everyone else”, especially when education is a low priority.

fiat_lux , (edited )

I am so sick of health condition speculation of politicians. If they have a formal dìagnosis and release it publicly, fine. But this article is just pure conjecture.

  1. Not all memory issues are age-related or dementia or degenerative. While US politicians do trend extremely old and this increases the likelihood of having a disability, plenty of younger people have memory issues too that can get better or worse randomly. Covid fucked my memory hard.
  2. It's ableist to require peak health 24/7 from people, even your leaders. They have teams of people around them for a reason, to collect and provide accurate information. There are briefings and reports. Redundancy is built into the system, the President isn't the only source of truth. If a President becomes unable to perform their duties in a timely manner because of these problems, like Dianna Feinstein, then we can worry about that problem.
  3. Disability is an increasing issue, and climate change and future pandemics are going to increase the rates at which everyone experiences chronic health problems. 15% of all people globally self-identify as having a disability. If you live in a country with a life expectancy over 70, you can expect to spend an average of 8 years of your life with a disability. Globally, 49% of people over 60 have a disability. Protection of society from a single point of failure requires systemic change that builds in failsafes and enforces them. Build accommodations

Trump isn't dangerous because his father had Alzheimers and he's (understandably) afraid of developing it. He's dangerous because he has a habit of making absurdly malicious power-hungry selfish decisions.

hitmyspot ,

Peak health 24/7 is unrealistic for anyone, but even with a chronic health problem of any kind, you need to be able to perform the functions of the job.

We don’t have a diagnosis for Trump, but there is clearly something deeply wrong with him. If he willfully provides misinformation about his health, all we have is conjecture.

Disability should not preclude you from work,but just like people without a disability, you seek roles you are suitable for. It’s not ableist to say someone with alzheimers and associated cognitive decline is not suitable for president.

fiat_lux ,

perform the functions of the job

After attempts have been made for accommodations and they have failed or the job description itself cannot be altered. Yes, in that situation it's fine.

We don’t have a diagnosis for Trump, but there is clearly something deeply wrong with him

We know what is wrong with him. He's extremely selfish and greedy. That is what disqualifies him to be a leader. Our speculations about his medical situation are unnecessary.

Disability should not preclude you from work,but just like people without a disability, you seek roles you are suitable for. It’s not ableist to say someone with alzheimers and associated cognitive decline is not suitable for president.

It's not ableist to say that someone with a predictably degenerative disease which is affecting their ability to make logical decisions, that we have no workarounds or treatment for, may be unable to fulfil the job requirements.

It is ableist to suggest that any incidence of memory loss or shitty rhetoric or bad writing or family history is evidence of a degenerative disease and that they should not be eligible for a role because of it. Especially when that conjecture comes from people with no medical background or relation to the person in question.

hitmyspot ,

Selfish and greedy is just part of it. He is unfit on many levels.

Any incidence of memory loss is not automdisqualifying, but I’d want to know the medical reasons before electing someone to such a high office. Again, in the absence of accurate information, we only have speculation.

Discussion about these topics is not ableism. Some are suggesting an upper age limit. To me, that’s just using age as an allegory for health. We should just set minimum standards for health of these offices, if we have an aging population with increasing health needs.

FoundTheVegan , (edited )
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Dementia didn't stop then president Regan, hasn't even stopped modern republicans from loving him. The failure of "Reaganomics"/War on Drug/Long-term-International-problems doesn't ever factor in. He's still the best. Don't see how it would change anything here.

It's not hyperbole to say conservatives don't care if their politicians have a functional healthy brain, it's literally just a fact. Mitch McConell is another great example of this.

SpaceNoodle ,

It didn’t stop Reagan, either.

spaceghoti OP ,

However, at that point Reagan wasn’t so concerned with his public image. Trump is as insecure as they come.

FoundTheVegan , (edited )
@FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar

The a is for alzheimer's. It's on brand for me to forget.

(I love that I got his name wrong but nailed Reaganomics 😂)

Vaggumon ,
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I know this diarrhea smoothy will never spend a single second behind bars, even if convicted of every crime ever in the history of crime. But I really wish Marmalade Hitler would experience a fraction of the justice he deserves.

ForgetPrimacy ,

Marmalade Hitler is so satisfyingly condescending…

SilverFlame ,

I can’t believe it’s not Hitler!

Pratai ,

This isn’t an age thing- it’s an intelligence thing. He’s a huge dumbass. His college professor even said he was the dumbest kid he’d ever seen.

It’s no wonder he’s the front-runner for the Conservative Party- because only morons would think that ignorant pissfart has a viable wagon hitch.

Geek_King ,

The phrase “A useful idiot” comes to mind. He’s a dangerous mix of stupid, lack of empathy, with a massive dose of narcissism.

Pratai ,

Just what a bunch of half-evolved brainless primates need in a leader. Someone who is just barely smarter than they are.

mister_flibble ,

Honestly, I think it’s both. Watch pretty much any interview with him from the 80s or 90s. He was still an egotistical dumbass, but he was far more coherent.

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