TimewornTraveler ,

dammit Randall stick to physics

actually this is pretty fun even if wrong, keep making linguistics things

Chekhovs_Gun ,

Hey Splay. Shiggity shiggity schwa?

CptEnder ,

What’s my name? Shmifty five.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Tangentially related to getting stuck in a tunnel obstructed by onions: one time I was stuck in a traffic jam on I-95 in Philadelphia, traffic completely stopped for about three hours. Eventually we got moving again and passed the source of the jam. A semi carrying a load of honeydew melons had caught fire. I would have thought melons contained enough water to prevent them from burning, but that was not the case.

user134450 ,

Maybe those were illegal smoke and honey melons 🤔

Siethron ,

Doesn’t the ‘nel’ in tunnel break this?

Wolf_359 ,

Maybe it depends on where you’re from but I pronounce “tuh-nuhl”

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

Really? I think it’s supposed to be silent, not a schwa. Did you mean “tuh-nl”?

Ookami38 ,

Slow down your speech a bit (like listen to it in super slow mo) and you’ll realize there’s definitely a schwa sound between the N and the L sounds. Just how our mouths work moving through the shapes for them creates a schwa sound.

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

By that logic, should not there be a schwa after the L too? That ('tǝnǝlǝ) would be absurd.

pastermil ,

Took me a goddamn while. Goddamn English and the lack of phonetic spelling!

fidodo ,

I was a little slow too because some of those words have other possible pronunciations

Deebster ,
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Which is why we shouldn’t have phonetic spelling!

ClockworkOtter ,

This is like when my friend from CA discovered merry, marry, Mary except it’s everything.

Carlo ,

Quick note: might be funnier if your friend was from MD.

Kolrami ,

There’s a cool, old video about this. I’m not sure if this is what you’re referencing:

youtu.be/hIvBSMxRG9Q

systemglitch ,

I don’t get it.

paris ,
LemmyFeed ,

I’m even more confused now…

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

All the vowels make an ‘uh’ sound when you read the sentence out loud

_dev_null ,
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They’re all using only the ‘uh’ sound for every non-silent vowel in each word.

That ‘uh’ sound is apparently called the schwa in linguistics.

(edit: clarified after i had already hit the post button)

Worx ,

Not in my accent

Darthjaffacake ,

Nor mine😥

Darthjaffacake ,

Nor mine 😥

MinusPi ,
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Holy shit that’s impressive

ArmoredThirteen ,

Going through the comments, I’ve just learned so much about what makes my accent distinct and that uh and uh are apparently different

can ,

Uh?

toynbee ,

This is reminiscent of a brief storyline from the Scrubs season that never happened.

lugal ,

Me, with my strong German accent: chuckle I’m in danger

kometes ,
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obstrucTION

Lux ,

Ub struck shun

kometes ,
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Lux ,

Disagree

RampantParanoia2365 ,

If I’m understanding it correctly, the name Schwartz has no schwa

lugal ,

True

lseif ,

look closer. its there

TheBananaKing ,

What kind of fucked-up Forest-Gump accent does Randall have?

WoahWoah ,

?

TheBananaKing ,

Most English accents make a strong distinction between most of the voewls in that sentence. If you relentlessly turn everything to schwa, you get a cross between the aforementioned Forest Gump and “Ermagerd, shers”.

Ookami38 ,

Out of curiosity, what words does your accent pronounce without a schwa? Every single vowel sound in that is a schwa sound in those sentences sounds perfectly natural to me with a schwa sound.

TheBananaKing ,

/wɒts ʌp? wʌz dʌg gənə kʌm? dʌg lʌvz bɹʌntʃ. nʌʔʌ dʌgz stʌk kɒz ɒv ə tʌnəl ɒbstɹʌkʃən. ə tɹʌk dʌmpt ə tʌn ɒv ʌnjənz. əχ./

WoahWoah ,

Interestingly, “ʌ” is not used in many American linguistics sources, from Merriam Webster to Google Translate. In American English and many dialects of British English (and many others), there is little to no difference between ‘ʌ’ and ‘ə.’ I believe ‘ʌ’ is considered an allophone of ‘ə,’ which aren’t always listed for vowel sounds in IPA.

The distinction is called the comma-strut split (referenced in the xkcd explainer), and occurs in a minority of English dialects apparently. I didn’t realize Australian English was one of them! Cool.

Deebster , (edited )
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For me it’s more like
/wɒts ʌp? wɒz dʌg gənə kʌm? dʌg lʌvz bɹʌnʧ. nɜːʔɜː dʌgz stʌk kʌz ɒv ə tʌnəl əbstɹʌkʃən. ə tɹʌk dʌmpt ə tʌn ɒv ʌnjənz. əχ./

(Gimsonian, anyway, I like the newer, more logical style that would have nurse be /nəːs/)

WoahWoah , (edited )

I was putting the question mark because Tom Hanks affects a Mississippian accent, which would not necessarily pronounce all of these words with a schwa.

“Ermahgerd” uses two different vowel sounds, and that ɚ sound is slightly different than the examples in the xkcd, none of which are ɚ.

Given all three of these items–xkcd, Forrest Gump, and the meme–are from the United States, it makes sense to think of them in that dialect context.

I realize that you’re Australian, so perhaps you wouldn’t pronounce all these words with a schwa, but one of the defining features of the Australian accent is the abundance of schwas that are added in places that American English doesn’t have it–notably at the end of words. Arguably Australian English actually uses the schwa more than Forrest Gump (or Randall) would.

It’s also probably important to remember that the entire population of Australia is roughly equivalent to the metro area of New York City. As of 2022, there were roughly 400 million native English speakers in the world, of which roughly 306 million are in the United States, so I’m not sure about your “most English accents” comment either.

That said it’s a very common second language, and at that level there would basically be innumerable accents, but it would be nearly impossible to analyze relative vowel variance across at that scale. So, maybe!

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Isn’t this only true for a forest gump accent?

captainlezbian ,

Midwestern possibly. It works with my accent at least

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