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ATQ ,

And do the construction workers build housing for free? Or do they deserve to be paid?

ATQ ,

I’m not even sure why I’d respond to someone as intellectually dishonest as you. But if you want to live in a shelter, your shelter has to be paid for. If you can’t pay for the full construction costs yourself then you have to get a loan and the bank gets paid. If you can’t get a loan, then you have to pay someone that can get a loan and that person gets paid. This isn’t a hard concept.

If you’d like to argue that the state should provide a minimum shelter for every individual, then that’s a interesting conversation that we can have. But a simple “landlords shouldn’t exist” is an unbelievably ignorant position held only by children and morons. Because even if a “the state provides shelter” scenario it’s the state that is your landlord.

ATQ ,

They pay for it to be built. Unless you think the workers should work for free and not receive any benefit from their labor. Does hexbear know you feel this way? 🤣

ATQ ,

You’re just describing a mortgage.

ATQ ,

Oh, so you just want the state to be your landlord? Enjoy your cinderblock gulag.

ATQ ,

Western countries already provide resources for our less fortunate friends and neighbors. But we don’t use the police power of the state to force those resources on people that don’t want them. We also don’t round them up and force them to fight for our Moscovi overlords that are just a itsy-bitsy more equal than the rest of us. Hmmmm

ATQ ,

😂🤣😂

Median US Household Income - $70,784

Median Moscovi Household Income -$27,634

Well shit, little Yuri, looks like a good deal for us.

ATQ ,

If you don’t think that housing has to be paid for, via any number of reasonable means, then you’re explicitly arguing that you deserve the labor of others. That’s called stealing. And slavery.

If you want to have a reasonable conversation, tell us how you think the workers that produce the materials and build the housing should be paid. The only pathetic thing is when people refuse to answer this question.

ATQ ,

Homeless in the US - 0.2% of the population.

Homeless in Russia - 3.5% of the population.

Is this going the way you thought it would?

ATQ ,

Landlords pay up front (directly or via a loan, which the renters presumably cannot get) and assume the risk of vacancies and repairs. If landlords ceased to exist, how do you propose new housing stock be created? Should the government be your landlord?

ATQ ,

You can rent from someone else. That’s actually easier than moving cities, states, or countries.

ATQ ,

Haha. Ok !lemmygrad 😂🤣😂. Here’s your L. Have a nice day.

ATQ ,

Investment into housing development, zoning fixes, market rate housing, co-ops, and a LVT is the solution.

You can’t be serious? Let’s review.

Investment into housing development

By who…? Come on, be honest, who do you think is going to do this 🤣

zoning fixes

That allow who to build more housing?

market rate housing

Is literally what the West has right now.

Co-Ops

We have these now.

and a LVT

This is a fine step. Most states have property taxes now that include the land that a rental sits on.

If you can’t pay for your own housing, your choices are either for the government to pay for it, or for the private sector to pay for it. In either event the entity that owns your house, that isn’t you, is your landlord. If you can’t pay for your own housing, and you don’t want the private sector or the government to provide it for you, then you’re homeless.

ATQ , (edited )

If you want to argue that the government should develop low cost housing, that’s an interesting discussion. In general, “supply” regardless of how it’s created, is the answer to high housing prices. I do fear that you’ll be dissatisfied with the quality of that government housing.

ATQ ,

The US murder rate (6.81) and Russia (6.80) are virtually identical. The suicide rates though…

US suicide rate - 14.04

Russia suicide rate - 21.6

No word on the window rate for each country.

Happiness index

US - 6.951

Russia - 5.477

ATQ ,

If you want to argue that it is a valid use of the state to produce low cost housing then this is an interesting conversation. But much of the rest of your response is nonsense. For instance -

I don’t want property taxes. Those need to be removed along with all other types of taxation. The only valid type of taxation should be land value tax, and a carbon emission tax.

You’re going to fund all the social programs of a modern government via, essentially, no taxes? Come on. If you want the government to provide a robust social safety net, including housing, you’ll be looking at Nordics level taxation.

I disagree with your definition.

You can be wrong if you want to be.

ATQ ,

It’s true. That’s why our homelessness incidence are less than 10% of yours. Maybe that’s why you’re trying to drive yours down by conscripting your homeless and forcing them into “former glory” wars?

ATQ ,

I assume, accurately, that all you hexbears are Russian trolls, Hindu Nationalists, or various flavors of pudgey man children collectively known as college communists who want to seize the means of production from their parents that didn’t give them enough hugs. Which flavor are you? I bet it’s the last one 😂

ATQ ,

Lol. rACisM!!!1. Why don’t you just trot out the Hitler Card while you’re at it!

Here you go bro, I’ll give you that hug you’ve been desperately missing 🤗

ATQ ,

That’s what they want. The Sedition Caucus was elected to break the government so the rest of the ‘Pubs can campaign on how government doesn’t work.

ATQ ,

Hi OP. Keeping your spending from getting out of control is important. But most people, especially in today economy, don’t have a spending problem, they have an income problem. There’s a finite limit to the ability to cut expenses. Once the “rice and beans” answers you’ve already received are implemented the only viable strategy is to find ways to increase income.

ATQ ,

This is where I’ve been for a couple of years now. Could I make more money and have more responsibility? Absolutely. But I make plenty, I work with good people, and I “work” from home twice a week. My week is 10 hours of real work, 10 hours of meetings about that work, and 20 hours of fucking around waiting for other people to finish their work. I do most of my fucking around at home where I can do whatever I want. Do I really want to give up this slack ass job to chase a 10->15% raise? I’m not sure I do.

ATQ ,

Invest a portion of your disposable income automatically, and make “paying yourself” the first bill you pay. But make sure a portion of your disposable income is also fun money. That is what you can impulse spend, no questions asked. But when it’s gone, it’s gone. This whole process is just budgeting. You’re an adult and make reasonable money. You can be an adult with this too. You don’t have to trick yourself.

ATQ ,

I hate to link back to Reddit, but the /r/personalfinance sidebar had great information. Especially the flow chart. Start there. Best of luck!

ATQ ,

The picture on the left shows a stack of disordered coins. In the picture on the right those coins have been organized.

I am amused that you thought there was anything suggestive in that very short, oddly shaped, stack of coins, Player Queen.

ATQ , (edited )

I mind my own business unless my friends or relatives ask my opinion. If they do, I remember that they’re adults who can make their own choices, including whether or not to follow my advice.

ATQ ,

OP, unless you have a very large amount of money you can absolutely manage your own retirement. And it’s even easier than you think. Check out the three fund portfolio and other Boglehead articles for answers to your questions.

ATQ ,

He’s not the Senate swing vote any more, so this is how he gets attention.

ATQ ,

Corporate needs you to find the difference between North Korea and jail…?

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