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IcyToes ,

Ultimately, relationships often depend on it. Many men in my life are fine and comfortable when I express vulnerability or weakness. Though when I do in relationships, it often goes sideways. Decision making, certainty and very positively received. Alongside that, recent relationships respond positively as they prefer a submissive role.

The woman in my life have generally maintained this type of role.

For further clarification, physical violence hasn't been required or welcome in adult life. Barely seen a usage since school.

IcyToes , (edited )

I understand this sub is run by feminists, and fair enough, but is this related to men’s liberation at all? I would assume it would go on a community called feminism, but the whole focussing on negative male traits is the opposite of men’s liberation, surely?

IcyToes , (edited )

I was the men’s conversation I want to see, by challenging negative content. It was removed on grounds 3 and 4.

“Build upon content in the original post”. If the post does not fit in with the sub, we cannot follow rule 3 without challenging it. By deleting the challenge, you are preventing us following rule 3. I understand moderation, but this is too heavy handed, and you’re just pushing people away. Is this supposed to be a community, or a mod pinboard that consumers respond to?

IcyToes ,

As one user already said, Vasalgel looked really promising. Waited for years for it. In the end, I got a vasectomy.

It was the only way I could control the means of my reproduction. Anxiety and stress during sex, and absolute panic during condom fail is not fun. If I could have taken a pill, I would have absolutely done that.

IcyToes ,

I think you’re understating it. While the op was pretty painless. The wound care can be a little stressful.

It is a permanent procedure and one really needs to consider if they are happy to go that route. Reversals have a high reversal failure rate that get worse over time. Can not be counted upon. Even if you freeze sperm, IVF is never a guarantee, and not all women are comfortable with it.

Of course, I did this, and absolutely have no regrets. Probably one of the better decisions I have made. Anxiety has gone, and I feel somewhat safe.

I didn’t really want to take the permanent route, but had no other choice the was safe. Condom failure rate is high, and trust in regards to other methods is just too much. You want to have full control over your reproduction.

IcyToes ,

So, in other words, because it’s risky, companies don’t want to do it.

It sucks that capitalism doesn’t allow men to have full control to their reproduction (condoms suck, fail often, and many women are also not happy using them).

IcyToes ,

That isn’t a good situation to be in but completely understandable. I don’t envy you. The treadrope of finding people to trust and always having to guard and protect yourself is not fun.

IcyToes ,

I had a no scalpel vasectomy. My wound took about 3 weeks for me to feel comfortable. I had doubts after 2 weeks, but it eventually got there. They don’t unnecessarily give out antibiotics here. It was a case of water to clean and keep it dry. I ended up using antiseptic cleaning fluid for the last week or so.

Here in the UK, they say 12 weeks minimum, and the test for all clear is after 16 weeks, but that’s probably a little safer and in these situations, I ain’t taking any gambles. Imagine knocking someone up 9 weeks after a vasectomy. Could be soul destroying.

IcyToes ,

Hey, don’t attack what people want. This is a biological urge and hard to decide against. If you don’t want children, that is cool for you. If others do, that is also fine for them.

The world is messed up and getting worse, obviously, but may won’t share our cynicism and I probably don’t want to drag people down with me. It’s hard to build enthusiasm after.

IcyToes ,

I am bothered about those things, but choose not to let fear and anger run my life. Those emotions without action are pointless. Just suffering with no gain, and what’s the point in dwelling in negative emotion?

The world is not a good place, are you helping make it a better place calling people dumb?

IcyToes ,

As someone who was in an emotionally abusive relationship, I don’t think I can read this without getting triggered.

I think it’s important to remember that all women are capable of being victims and perpetrators, and all men are also capable. Abusers have no genders and can occur in non-cis relationships.

IcyToes ,

I would contest that only men are the issue. I have found in my personal life, when I have been vulnerable, or emotional, or distressed, the cost is quite severe socially. Men don’t open up, because often society doesn’t want them to open up. Weirdly enough, it’s the women in my life that have most frequently had a negative reaction to my humanity/distress/vulnerability, guys often have been there and they understand to some extent. They may not always know what to say or how to respond, but you often feel the empathy.

I don’t believe you have to assume men are the cause of all problem to believe in positive tenets of feminism such as that women should be free to be who they are, and achieve what they want and society and governments should accommodate that right and eradicate those things that hold them back.

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