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An interesting case of moderation in the fediverse ( blog.ownlifeful.com )

A small group of people were offended by a joke that unintentionally came across transphobic, and as a result this persons account was blacklisted. Even after getting the account reinstated, there were lasting complications with the state of the account (these probably technical issues) and the account was basically lost for...

PabloDiscobar ,
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Find a mostly European instance. Problem solved.

Americans are desperately trying to globalize their concerns everywhere.

PabloDiscobar ,
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An alternative to do what exactly? To just follow people? What about you follow no one?

PabloDiscobar ,
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"Fear of missing out"

We are not the cool guys therefore we don't exist and the party happens without us elsewhere.

PabloDiscobar ,
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First, most of the people I saw discussing it support flatpak, not packages. They support flatpak like they support a football team. example here: "Mostly because they're uneducated fools".

It's all about reputation. There are people I trust, like Steam and there are perfect strangers from the internet. Who do you trust the most between "debian VS mastakilla_51"?

Wake me up when a flatpak app is thought with clear boundaries and doesn't just request access to my whole home directory. Until then I much prefer to have a team of packager maintaining a reputation, dedicated to their job and producing fine, reliable apps.

The Audacity fiasco was a perfect example of that. The apps was bought by someone, then telemetry was introduced into the flatpak and no one saw it. Instead, the distro maintainers noticed it and deactivated the telemetry. This is how we saw the thing.

Be very careful of what you lose when you say goodbye to distro packages, don't take it for granted. If you walk the flatpak way you will have access to a mountain of unverified software built by a random person of the internet having access to your full homedir. It's like installing freewares on Windows, you end up with a lot of crap on your computer. A packages repo is not like freewares for Windows.

Yes, I know, you think flatpaks come with sandboxing. It does not, because most of these packages use /home as the sandbox anyway and people click yes. Pick some flatpaks and see the access level their require. Most of the time it's /home. This is a terrible trend and I wished more of the flatpak supporters mentioned it when they praise the tool. Some people don't care. I do.

Cryptocurrency does nothing to help you since it gives a very strong incentive to criminal to scan your homedir. Scammers will use shiny software, flatpak it, add their "secret sauce" and publish it. If you had to install a cryptowallet, would you install the one from the debian repo of the one from mastakilla_51?

Until this whole jungle is sorted out: thanks, but no thanks.

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Let's all use snaps then!

"No, I didn't mean Snaps, I meant Flatpak"

Annnnd we are back at square one. flatpak is just another distro, with the limitations of a distro. You are basically asking for a unique distro to rule them all.

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ouch

This thread is closed, but I'm going to make a final reply before I ban you and your associate from our organization for your inflammatory, incorrect, and downright rude comments. Actions have consequences. Any time anyone asks us why we don't support AppImage, I'm going to point them to this thread, and how it was you, personally, who irrevocably burned all bridges with our development team.

And then he harassed the OBS team claiming that "users want appimages"

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PabloDiscobar ,
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I still have coins. Do you have any advice on how to use them? Is there any word out there about it?

PabloDiscobar ,
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Or give all your gold to a [deleted] account

Or give is to u/spez, so he can enjoy all the features of his own platform

I think the rush to recreate communities is a bad idea. ( kbin.social )

If you recall reddits growth many of their communities evolved as offshoots of a single generic community. This made it easier for people to see discussions they normally would not get involved in, and once the posts in a similar category reached critical mass it moved to a sub Reddit....

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This uncontrolled rush killed magazines. For example /m/hardware. I wanted to start something, but it was already reserved by someone who never posted anything in a month, not a post, not a comment anywhere. There is no link to other mags on the page, no rules, no nothing.

I messaged the guy to get the magazine back but never got any answer.

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The name hardware was kind of a "catch all" to answer generic questions and to give exposition to other smaller niche magazines like monitors, memory, ssd, motherboards, datahoarders, homelab, you name it. Calling it something else would have defeated the purpose.

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No one will type pchardware. But we could have added links to other non-IT magazines.

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It is reserved to people living in the USA.

PabloDiscobar ,
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It's a war for content. If you have ever written a comment of more than five coherent lines then you have been working for free all this time.

We are the value, we fill the websites, we create the distraction between two ads and we teach the AI.

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Food for the AI. This is where the money is.

Look at a big sub of reddit: today it's made of one liners that we collapsed. This is worthless to an AI.

Would you ask questions to an AI if it gave you a reddit like answer? No.

They want the content creators, and the content is in the comments.

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We have a bigger problem and it's popularity. Some instances will want to become as big as possible, for resell value.

So they will be encouraged to let the maximum of people registering a new account, including bots and spammers. Because they make the numbers and they start the snowball effect.

Didn't you all looked a the most populated instances/magazine when you registered magz, and you didn't care about the mags with zero activity? Well, you are encouraging the process in a way.

People will be reluctant to defederate or to ban popular magazines from other subs. So the float of spammers is unlikely to stop, because the person who makes the decision, the admin of the instance, will welcome them. And you won't ban the instance or the mag.

We have to become more like a club.

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The value of an instance is a function of the number of his registered users.

Facebook bought Instagram for the price of ~$30 per user.

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So what will you do about an instance called "rofl.lol", which is huge, which has a lot of fans locally who want to keep interacting with it and which also allows spammers? Will you keep federating or will you defederate it?

If you don't defederate this will become and endless whack-a-mole of bans with a drop of quality.

Do you have any source for this marketplace of instances?

I never talked about a marketplace of instances.

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The emails revealed that Zuckerberg wanted to buy Instagram as it was becoming a threat to Facebook.

"Facebook, by its own admission saw Instagram as a threat that could potentially siphon business away from Facebook," Nadler said during the hearing on Wednesday.

"So rather than compete with it, Facebook bought it. This is exactly the type of anti-competitive acquisition the antitrust laws were designed to prevent," Nadler added.

Facebook bought Instagram for $1 billion in 2012, a shocking sum at that time for a company with 13 employees,

Facebook bought the adoption, they bought the users.

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We have a login, that's all the requirement. We have adopted the platform and we are attracting more users by our numbers. It's all about adoption.

because we’re a just fart in Sahara in comparison, both in numbers of people and in revenue dollars

So was Instagram when it began.

If Ernest sold the platform tomorrow you wouldn't even notice it.

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You miss-represent the fediverse. Users aren't locked in. If someone buys one instance and you don't like it, you move.

Maybe you will but people in their majority won't do that. It's too much operations. Also they might not even be aware of the transfer. Plus if an instance offers good services there might be a technological price to pay for leaving, like leaving instagram. All instances are not equal, specially if there are more interfaces in preparation.

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They gain nothing from buying an instance. Users don't matter. They're just as reachable as another federated instance.

ok, cool.

remember how the lemmy.ml admin asked that people join other instances.

lemmy.ml is overloaded, use other instances instead

People want to be with people, if you don't get that then you don't get social networks.

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Wait for more tools and instances, and the leaders will emerge.

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There is only one metric for a social network, the number of users.

Youtube channel? subscribers

Twitch channel? subscribers

Twitter? Followers

That's about who gathers the most people, end of the line. If an instance managed to become a pole of gravity then it will be worth money.

And before you tell me that you can subscribe to a different instance, well, you can also subscribe to a different social network.

but fine, we disagree.

SUSE Preserves Choice in Enterprise Linux by Forking RHEL with a $10+ Million Investment ( www.suse.com )

SUSE is committed to working with the open source community to develop a long-term, enduring compatible alternative for RHEL and CentOS users. SUSE plans to contribute this project to an open source foundation, which will provide ongoing free access to alternative source code.

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Haem...

Any statements in this press release about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company, including statements containing the words “aims,” “targets,” “will,” “believes,” “anticipates,” “plans,” “expects,” and similar expressions, may constitute forward-looking statements and should be read with caution. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including competitive landscape, development of customer deals, reliance upon customer relationships, management of growth and acquisitions, the possibility of undetected software issues, the risks of impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic and economic downturns, pricing pressures and the viability of the Internet. In addition, any forward-looking statements included herein represent views as of the date of this press release and these views could change. The Company does not have any obligation to update its forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to change and should not be relied upon as representing the Company’s views as of any date other than the date of this press release.

PabloDiscobar OP ,
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So clearly on the same page? Yes.

PabloDiscobar OP ,
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Is it supposed to reassure me or somethin'?

Defederation, Threads and You ( kbin.social )

A lot of us are pretty new to the fediverse and we've arrived just in time to grapple with what is easily the biggest federation/defederation controversy ever to hit it. I've put this thread together to hopefully help communicate some of the more complex ideas that we're trying to get our heads around....

PabloDiscobar ,
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Install threads ffs and be done with it.

Also I didn't see any mention of the volume of data that threads represents. Have we forgotten how IT works here?

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You don't really believe that they will allow you to use their platform without forcing a ToS on you, right?

Do you have the slightest idea of the ramifications of allowing anyone to use their platform just like that?

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Even in the event of threads opening for federation, our instance will never be able to endure the load of the constant traffic induced by 100 millions users.

I wish more people opened a computer to understand how it works. Because philosophy and essays only bring you so far.

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I don't see a world where this works, the numbers just don't add up. Anyway meta will never allow you access if you don't sign a ToS with them. No ToS, no service, the lawyers will see to this.

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And now the emotional argument...

Why is it so hard for some people to admit that some precaution is required when we are dealing with predators like Facebook?

Let's focus on what we have instead of spending our time and money on federating a monster with 100 millions accounts.

We don't want to become a threads client. Our development must be independent of Facebook. It won't be independent anymore if 95% of the content is coming from Facebook. We need time to digest more users and now is absolutely not the time to federate such a big thing as 100 million users.

Get real. If people want threads then let them install threads. Nothing wrong with that.

And please stop with the "friends" thing
We get it: your friends are on Facebook. We are building something different. That's all.

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Oracle is this priest who will try to convert you to christianity when you are in a hospital on your deathbed.

Oracle has been part of the Linux community for 25 years. Our goal has remained the same over all those years: help make Linux the best server operating system for everyone, freely available to all, with high-quality, low-cost support provided to those who need it.

Fuck you

We want to emphasize to Linux developers, Linux customers, and Linux distributors that Oracle is committed to Linux freedom. Oracle makes the following promise: as long as Oracle distributes Linux, Oracle will make the binaries and source code for that distribution publicly and freely available. Furthermore, Oracle welcomes downstream distributions of every kind, community and commercial. We are happy to work with distributors to ease that process, work together on the content of Oracle Linux, and ensure Oracle software products are certified on your distribution.

Oracle is one of the biggest personal data broker out there. Fuck you

By the way, if you are a Linux developer who disagrees with IBM’s actions and you believe in Linux freedom the way we do, we are hiring.

The russian army is hiring too.

Finally, to IBM, here’s a big idea for you. You say that you don’t want to pay all those RHEL developers? Here’s how you can save money: just pull from us. Become a downstream distributor of Oracle Linux. We will happily take on the burden.

Devour each others please. Thank you and fuck you.

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Xandr

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/6N8gA/plain.png

edit: to whomever is interested in privacy, the downvote is from a troll, mass downvoter called @DarkThoughts. The link is good and the source as well.

Fediverse dating app? ( kbin.social )

This is just a thought I had that I wanted to bounce off people who know more about ActivityPub/the fediverse— would it be feasible (and would it make sense) to build an open-source, ActivityPub-compatible dating app as an alternative to Tinder/Bumble/etc.? And if so, what could that look like? Obviously the small userbase...

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Probably bad. It centralizes the logins on mastodon and give them power over all the other tools that depend on them. If a gafam purchases a big mastodon instance then he also purchases a lot of accounts too.

Can we please remember to talk about things on the fediverse besides the fediverse itself? ( kbin.social )

Having spent a lot of time on Mastodon... There are tons of people there talking about federated and self-hosted services, software freedom, censorship, encryption, tech regulation... A very narrow range of topics directly surrounding the fediverse get a lot of attention....

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Have you ever been on a social network under construction? The first people joining are the geeks who talk about geek stuff and the geek stuff now is the fediverse and microservers. It has always been like this.

We don't need anything. We discuss based on interests. Talking for filling blank space is what led reddit to what it has become.

Don't be in such a hurry to see your network filled with people talking for the sake of talking. We will come to this point and this will be the moment when we leave.

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What you should appreciate is the number of argumented answers you had to your question with so few one liners made of "Dan pleeease". Followed by the inevitable clickbait articles. This will probably not last.

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I understand people’s concerns with Threads

No, I don´t think that you really understand the concern. Specially if, as you say, Threads will slowly federate this and that server, poisoning the fediverse.

If Threads begins federating, the "ten foot pole" is going to touch you, like it or not.

Independently from what Meta wants, do you want to federate with them?

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It's not the quality of the moderation which is in question but the embrace-extend-extinguish equation.

PabloDiscobar ,
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I do understand your point. You are case 1: Meta federates with remote instance with no contractual relationship.

Case 1 will never happen because Meta will never allow uncontrolled content over their platform, they will always, always demand that yous sign an agreement before you write anything on their servers. Their lawyers will never allow strangers to publish just like that.

I'm taking about case 2: where Meta federates servers who agree to sign a chart with Meta. A legal framework, which also involves content moderation control, data flow control, etc. And this will cause a big risk of Meta slowly pushing their changes into the protocol. The more servers follow the bigger the danger becomes for everyone.

It's not a knee-jerk reaction, it's a safety precaution against a corporation of which we know the methods. Do you know of a bigger predator to us?

They don't want your friendship, they don't care at all about this open source fediverse thing. We are a risk to their business, nothing else. Other fell before, other will fall after. There is nothing to gain here for us and everything to lose, so block it.

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"Please keep working for us for free" --reddit

PabloDiscobar ,
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Don't go against the flow. RH has clearly expressed their hostility to the project, it's time to work with people who want to work with you.

PabloDiscobar ,
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Meta won't federate anyone. They don't want to host illegal content on their servers, that would be an absolute PR disaster for them. And this is what will happen if they federate with a random instance. Even clean instances will want to play tricks on Meta if federated.

They are the prototype of the mono instance federation. They want control. They want to attract the people leaving Twitter. I don't think they care about us, what they want to avoid is that our instances become too big and start to offer an alternative.

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