I was thinking about how there are similar communities on different instances. In some cases that is desirable/ok but maybe it would be cool to have another option....
Mechanized greater amalgamation carries a presumption of agreement and agreeability. This is not what I experienced on Reddit.
For instance there was r/gamedesign. It had serious problems of people staying on topic, and lesser but recurring problems of people becoming most uncivil. I started r/GamedesignLounge in opposition to this. I "ruled" with a firm hand unfamiliar to Reddit users, but quite to old guard Usenetters. All posts and comments required moderator approval. I would have been perfectly happy to share this in a double-blind comoderator system where I don't approve my own posts, but such a mechanism doesn't exist on Reddit. All subs are run by the "Lord of the Manor". I was a nice, disciplined LotM and my job primarily consisted of hitting Approve. The fact of requiring people to adhere to the rules up front, rather than waiting for people to offend and be dealt with later, definitely elevated signal-to-noise ratio.
But I got no members and no surfacing. The incumbent name that anyone would look for, "gamedesign", is already owned by someone else with critical mass. Opposing such a de facto group with "better moderation ideas" is pretty much impossible on Reddit.
Another example is the TV show fan sub r/TheOrville vs. r/USSOrville vs. r/OrvilleVSTrek . The last one died. The 2nd one is barely alive. I've refused to participate in the 1st, in solidarity with the 2nd and 3rd. Nobody cares though.
For awhile, there was only one r/vikingstvshow about the series "Vikings". I don't know about now; don't care. Turned out it was not for fans of Vikings really! It was more for people to hurl rocks at Vikings and say this sucked, that sucked. Mods were totally down with that and fairly negative about the show. Somehow there weren't enough Redditors interested in Vikings to support multiple subs about it, so the one dominated by negative leaning mods, ruled the roost. Anyone who actually liked the show, after getting the barrage of pissing and moaning over and over again, pretty much you packed up your stuff and went home after awhile.
In the case of Game of Thrones, there were enough people to support quite substantial, separate subs with very different moderator policies. And the different communities mostly hated each other. Tons of institutional inertia accrued to the sub that first managed to grab the "Game of Thrones" name though.
I got banned from r/CobraKai. I got a little wound up about what would really happen in the modern USA, if you had some karate jackass kicking you in the head on some beach somewhere, like in the original The Karate Kid. Someone would probably pull out a gun from their glove compartment and blow the other away. That's fact, in the real world. Happens all the time. Happens between 12 to 15 year old kids in my city. Makes the newspaper headline regularly. Well that's just too negative and toxic to be saying in the sub for some reason, so I get banned.
What if I want to go talk about this show somewhere else, where having a real sense of real world violence, and making comparisons to the fantasy world of the show, is ok? Not that CobraKai material is itself at fault here. They did their juvenile detention episodes. Its the heavy handed mods that were the problem, not the show. Well, r/CobraKai is reaping all these incumbent advantages of traffic shaping, having the name of the show.
So far from wanting to consolidate communities, I am thinking communities should not be allowed to monopolize valuable brand names for community participation. I'd like to think that "Game of Thrones" could have at least 5 different communities, all with "Game of Thrones" technologically part of their community name. I haven't really thought through what the differentiator would be... the most trivial default designator would be a number. You might be on GOT 1, someone else might prefer GOT 2. Others prefer GOT 4. GOT 5 decided "5" wasn't doing them any mindshare good, so they change it to the non-default "GOT - Icicles" or some such. But GOT would be a way that you quickly found all such groups, when searching.
This could admittedly lead to a long list of GOT groups, like 200 of them, and games to see how you climb to the top of such a list. But it might actually be a better circumstance, than just ceding all this valuable word territory, to whoever had the luck of first starting with the most obvious name.
Well I can see one thing that kinda belies your point of view at present. Stability. Some people have presciently worried that their instance can implode, taking all content a user has made with it. Larger instances that are more stable, that have more backup infrastructure and ongoing commitment to operations, could out-compete smaller instances. Why this might arise, could be a historical accident of successful crowdfunding campaigns or something. I'm not sure how someone might do a better job of securing more server resources than others. Obviously a deep pocketed corporation who wants to influence the Fediverse, could do that.
Other people's posts / content. What about the user's own content? Sure plenty of people don't care, but there is a working set of people who do produce content online, who care about the visibility and longevity of their output.
Flippant answer: give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...
Migration is a real world metaphor. You think maybe there were some migrants who did it under duress?
"DAYOM there was this gang chasing me over the border of El Salvador and they had guns and they were gonna kiiil mee help me pleeeeez..."
I dunno with the prison industrial complex in the USA, I could clown this all night. "WHA I dinna doo anythin' wron!" "Sure you did BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM"
"You see you're not really allowed to migrate unless you're especially wealthy, especially educated, especially white, especially in worldview..."
Reddit is also turning into this weird police state lately about NSFW vs. SFW sub designations. Where which standard gets applied, is about whether you recently changed anything during protests. Wouldn't be entirely shocked if someone could get caught in a new round of hyper-vigilance. Not that I even bothered to read the OP's claims or links. I don't care and it doesn't matter.
My mental image of Reddit corporation and admins right now is all these Dilberts running around into tables in a conference room. Maybe like a pinball machine.
I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse. There are other platforms and will be more to come. Referring to a post on "Lemmy" or "kbin" is like saying you saw a post on your Windows or Mac computer....
Dang I totally forgot all about that term. Been awhile. Well it eventually reduced to "surfing the net".
The thing about the internet, is it was the thing to make it only one net. Previously there were weird systems like bitnet, VMSnet, where you had to juggle email address encoding standards to get balkanized college campus networks to talk back and forth to each other.
"The web" became the subset of the net, that worked with web browsers. Only one thing.
Was there a "The Facebook" period? Or was that just a movie name?
So then we passed through a period of brands. Reddit is a brand. It is not altogether surprising that people would refer to the fediverse in terms of brands. Lemmy, kbin, beehaw, whatever.
Email and the web had/have specific protocols associated with them. The fediverse has multiple protocols. We're using ActivityPub, which seems to have won as a standard. It isn't exactly catchy or smooth flowing off the tongue.
Ok, if we try to brain crunch all these previous trends, here's what it's going to be called, if it hasn't been already:
THE VERSE
The difference between the fediverse and the universe will be forgotten. Linguistically, people will not keep up with that detail. Only old timers / early adopters will notice that linguistic change.
Possibly, 'verse' will come to be seen as short for multiverse.
The apostrophe is gonna get dropped eventually. Same as it did for 'net meaning internet.
I doubt fedi~ will be remembered after awhile. It'll be seen as pedantic, technical, or old school.
I don't know if people are generally sci-fi enough to think of you as on "planet Lemmy" but it would have a bit of snark like saying you're on planet Mars. Could be a good subculture lingo.
Sometimes. People meeting in real life, exchanging email addresses, and noticing they're both on GMail, is common enough for some people, they really are on GMail. Implying they could chat trivially. But that's not applicable to the scenario under discussion.
Actually you'd just say you drove to the store. We don't really care if you own a car, a truck, and a SUV in your driveway. We don't expect you to have a horse and buggy.
"The Fediverse is stupid."
"The Fediverse is stupid."
Negativeland said Christianity is stupid.
Christianity is stupid.
Communism is good!
[then a lot of chanting and noisemaking]
Well, Captain Kirk goes out on the flagship and kicks some serious alien ass. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't usually screw it, but he is almost contractually obligated to have his shirt torn. Spock bails him out with derisions of Something Something Diplomacy, I forget exactly what. And that's how the federation works. At a high level.
At a really high level, they all get zapped by plant spores and turn into hippies.
What feature is missing from KBin or Lemmy to make them forums? KBin superficially looks like a forum, but I only just got here. My next step is to find out whether Lemmy devs are tenable people to work with on forum software development. They are Marxist-Leninists and run a M-L instance or two, it seems. I'm a socialist but not M-L and I've got run out of plenty of "tankie" subs on Reddit, so I'm worried about that. I don't enjoy being called liberal or a bootlicker.
My own personal interest was beyond running a server. It was getting features / policies into the software. I'm actually starting to think that developer's politics aren't the real issue. Might be open source dynamics are the real issue. Saw a lot of things in the bug tracker of someone saying, "Oh yeah that's a good idea" and I thought whatever feature it was, might pull people into more chaos in various ways. Chaos meaning, people don't stick with communities they want to continue to be in. It may be an inherent problem with writing software that uses the Fediverse. People may have rather different ideas about what the Fediverse is "for". Like I'm not trying to look at thousands of GIFs a day. I think that's what's basically wrong with social media. Big groups, big volumes of shallow posts, that mainly works towards advertizing business models and reducing the "user's" participation mainly to the act of "watching the new TV".
idea for discussion: federation of individual communities across instance ( kbin.social )
I was thinking about how there are similar communities on different instances. In some cases that is desirable/ok but maybe it would be cool to have another option....
This spammer created multiple accounts on various Lemmy instances to post self advertisements. How do we combat this? ( media.kbin.social )
18+ Reddit banned me for 7 days no reason ( kbin.social )
im currently migrated here if you wondering why i got banned here is context:...
Reddit is a dead site running ( dbzer0.com )
It is not Lemmy or kbin, it is the fediverse. ( kbin.social )
I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse. There are other platforms and will be more to come. Referring to a post on "Lemmy" or "kbin" is like saying you saw a post on your Windows or Mac computer....