gap_betweenus

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gap_betweenus ,

Made me realize (hyperbole) how literal people are, how ready some are to dig their heels in and not interested in listening at all. If one ever had a conversation with a women (hyperbole), the unsafe feeling is something that comes up pretty often (I guess the women has to feel safe around you - so maybe there is that) and is sadly based on personal negative experiences they had.

gap_betweenus ,

At least for me the question is how to talk to people who don't want to listen. And the easiest answer is obviously not to, but that does not work in long term since it just enforces the existing echo chambers.

gap_betweenus ,

It's just a way to illustrate how a lot of women feel around men. No one is actually going into the woods to meet a bear.

gap_betweenus ,

How about being better and validating others persons feelings instead of cheap sarcasm?

gap_betweenus ,

“If I was given a choice to be stranded in the woods with either a bear or a woman, I would choose the bear, because the bear wouldn’t accuse me of raping it if I ignored it.”

Seem like you are actually in a place to understand from your own experience what women are trying to communicate with that whole bear thing. Next step would be to try to have an empathic connection instead of a defensive one. The anger and frustration are not directed at you as an individual but are an expression of experiences, those nuances are often lost in online, non personal communication. What helps is to have more personal communication, better in an offline environment.

gap_betweenus ,

So you think it will help to just tell folks to not be afraid? How did you overcame your fear? What if similar experiences happened to your and your friends more than once?

On personal level, in my experience it's best to validate someones emotions and then help them work through them if they wish so and are ready. On societal level it's another question on how to teach people more empathy and to respect for others - and at least in my opinion we already came quite a way.

gap_betweenus ,

So glad you brought it up. Not only sex but romantic partnership in general seems to be the one thing people need to somehow figure out on their own.

gap_betweenus ,

Non feminist male communities tend to devolve into misogynistic places. What exactly is your problem with feminism, except the name?

gap_betweenus ,

There is a history behind the term and why it is used.

gap_betweenus , (edited )

Sure. From my point of view man and women both struggle from the same societal structures, be it in quite different ways. Feminism addressees those societal structures from the perspective of women and in more recent times other marginalized groups. While sure it's not a lens specifically developed to view male issues, for me personally it's been a helpful tool to empathize with women in general and to question societal or interpersonal structures (like man has to be the provider for the family or what the hell is family anyway?). You have a rather antagonistic view on feminism, maybe based on your own negative experiences or maybe influenced by certain media bubbles. So you might not find the discussions in this community very helpful.

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