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otp , to Work Reform in Saw this and thought it was fake until I googled. It's real.

It probably wasn't written by a professional, and they're trying to satisfy two demographics.

There's the part for the kids, obviously, but the other demographic is the parents who want their kids to LEARN something at the camp.

Parents don't necessarily send their kids to Pokemon Camp because their kid loves Pokemon, but because the camp advertises to parents that their kids will learn X, Y, and Z skills and stuff, lol

otp , to Work Reform in Saw this and thought it was fake until I googled. It's real.

Exactly. All 30 kids will probably love it. This probably isn't something that parents would sign their kids up for unless they genuinely think their kid would enjoy it, lol

otp , to Work Reform in Saw this and thought it was fake until I googled. It's real.

I think it's very unlikely that the kids will be doing anything resembling work that's productive for the company.

At worst, this is glamourizing fast food and fast food jobs to children. But this isn't slave labour, lol

otp , to Work Reform in Marxist Financial Advice

Hey now, you could probably downgrade to a 1bd and save $200 a month

otp , to Men's Liberation in Next steps after the bear

I'm glad that you didn't take it personally. I still think it's important to understand the reasons why women might generally prefer the bear.

otp , to Men's Liberation in Next steps after the bear

I think that part of the problem is that people tie their identities to labels.

When someone says "I'd rather encounter the bear than a man", some people will say "I'm a man, and that means she's afraid of me (personally)"...and go on to have their feelings hurt by it because it's interpreted as a judgment of who they are as an individual.

Honestly, I think a big part of it is ignorance of women's experiences and a difficulty with perspective-taking.

Maybe men aren't as statistically dangerous as bears. If they aren't, why are women afraid? There are reasons for that.

I can imagine some men extrapolating from this and wondering "How can I ever approach a woman if they're all afraid of me?"...but the answer is "NOT alone when she's alone in a secluded spot in the woods"...

If the question was "Would you rather encounter a bear or a man at a board game café?", you'd find a lot fewer women hoping to encounter a bear.

Context matters.

otp , to Men's Liberation in About the bear...

You're right, my apologies for assuming.

otp , to Men's Liberation in About the bear...

I think you need to work on your perspective-taking skills.

It seems like what's happening is that women on social media are sharing that they feel inherently unsafe around strange men in remote and unexpected places, and your reaction is "That hurts my feelings as a man, and those women are wrong!"...

If you're not dangerous, that's great. Your feelings for assuming you're being generalized are valid.

If a woman reacts to you, unprompted, with fear, I think it's important to understand the reasons why she might react that way, rather than be angry about her fear. Frankly, getting angry at someone's fear would most likely reinforce that fear. And I think understanding would help reduce the anger you feel.

otp , to Men's Liberation in About the bear...

maybe we should take it up with the women who are raising the men.

Lmao, so you're just sexist, huh?

otp , to Men's Liberation in About the bear...

men also live on planet Earth

This means nothing. We're talking about wild animals in their natural habitat. Most animals in their natural habitat want to be left alone. Humans are not natural prey or threats to bears, so they generally wouldn't want to fight or hunt a human.

don't want to be around all men? Because of men with bad intentions?

I think that's something that needs to be taken up with men (because it's impossible to pick out just the ones with bad intentions).

That's part of the problem.

The other part of the problem is the fact that being alone in the woods and spotting a bear minding its business sounds like a normal event. Being alone in the woods and spotting a strange man sounds like an abnormal event.

Bears don't really hunt humans. Some men do hunt women. And there's enough of them (and it could be any man) that a lot of women are afraid of strange men.

Take it up with the men.

otp , to Men's Liberation in About the bear...

Bears also love in the woods, so it's pretty normal for bears to be there. There's a decent chance it's just minding its business. I wouldn't want to be around a bear, but I also wouldn't want to be around a man with bad intentions.

Humans are also absolutely famous for being unpredictable, fwiw

otp , to Men's Liberation in About the bear...

Maybe it depends on the type of bear.

If it's brown, lay down. If it's black, fight back. If it's white, say good night (RIP).

On the other side of things, there's probably the context. Some women would never go into the woods at all, so if they're there with a strange man, things are probably going to get bad.

But if there's a bear, they're probably alone, and just need to leave the area. The bear lives in the woods (unless it's a polar bear), and it's probably minding its own business.

otp , to Men's Liberation in The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men

Could you explain how it is?

otp , to Men's Liberation in The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men

The original comment said

Women: treat young men like they're an asshole by default

This is different than demonizing young men.

An asshole would maybe do things like sexually harassing a woman, or give her unwanted attention, or be dangerous to her.

The issue is that women sometimes have to expect that a man could do these things for their own safety.

Like a man offering to give a woman a ride when she's walking down the street. Or a man offering a woman a drink at the bar that she didn't see poured.

Those could be nice gestures if the man isn't an asshole. But if the man is an asshole, the woman could get herself killed or worse. So women have to anticipate that ANY man could be an asshole because their lives literally depend on it.

And if that translates to anticipating that ALL men are assholes, and treating all situations as such, until proven otherwise... that's going to be upsetting to some men.

Men need to recognize that this problem is not caused by women, but instead caused by assholes. If you're not an asshole, and someone anticipates that you are, the answer is to react with understanding and to figure out how to adjust your behaviour so that it doesn't look like something that the evil assholes would do. (E.g. if you want to buy her a drink, let her see the server pour it)

I know that it's hard for men to figure it out, because we don't really have many positive role models or even instructional videos. Someone needs to bring back those instructional videos for social norms they had in the 50's, but adjust them for modern times...make some TikToks or something, lol

And it shouldn't need to be said, but I'm not saying that women should be throwing refused drinks in the faces of strange men. But I don't think that's what the original commenter meant is happening.

I think that, when women are mad at the things men do, men need to be mad at asshole men for doing those things, not at women for being victims of the assholes.

otp , to Men's Liberation in The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men

I find it really weird to present it that way as if women started it...

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