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kibiz0r , to U.S. News in Harsh penalties approved for Florida state college employees who use restrooms that don't correspond with gender assigned at birth | CNN

The bill defines female as “a person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing eggs” and male as “a person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing sperm.”

1.7% of the population is intersex, so where do they fit in?

jcarax ,

Probably in a gas chamber, the way things are headed.

HubertManne ,
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that seems obtuse as well. why not define as if you have a y male and if you don't female. I am not endorsing this bill but their definition is horrible. I complain about "gender assigned at birth" phrase but boy it fits for this bill.

kibiz0r ,

It’s probably specifically because they wanted to punt the intersex issue to the court system. Talking about chromosomes is too specific and measurable. Talking about sex in terms of being associated with gametes makes it more subjective.

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  • HubertManne ,
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    yeah there are folks with medical conditions. that is true. this is one thing I fear about the ruckus we have around this nowadays. that it will essentially out them. Honestly I did not make up the cis word so im not sure if it applies. its again another recent type of thing.

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  • glacier , (edited )
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    Klinefelter syndrome occurs when a person who is assigned male at birth is born with an extra x chromosome. Most people with the condition are cisgender boys or men.

    Being trans is not a medical condition, although many trans people have gender dysphoria, which is psychological distress a person may have due to identifying with a different gender than the one that they were assigned at birth.

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  • jarfil ,
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    cannot be resolved through therapy or socialization/conversion therapy

    I’d go further, and say that anything that needs “just” therapy, is also a medical condition.

    The mentality of “as long as it lets you work, it doesn’t matter whether you suffer or not” is pretty inhumane, IMHO.

    LassCalibur ,

    Most likely any attempt at specific, verifiable definitions would be insufficient for their fascistic purpose. A biologist, Forrest Valkai, covers well the complexity involved when defining the social construct of sexual differentiation in a measurable way in the video Sex and Sensibility. Hence, the laws reliance on “reproductive role” while simply assuming some unstated definition of “biological sex”.

    StringTheory , (edited )

    I have a friend with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. She’s a woman, has always been a woman, is married to a man, and has two adopted kids (AIS means she’s sterile). She has XY chromosomes.

    Is someone going to walk up to her and say, “Sorry, ma’am, you’re male now”?

    Her gender assigned at birth was female. She was raised as a girl, always identified as a girl, and had no idea anything was different until she started having health problems at puberty.

    apis ,

    Because they aren’t interested in doing so, and know that there are no good ways to define these things.

    What they want is the means to impose strict gender norms, and to persecute anyone who does not fit for any reason and in any way.

    So, today they want workers who aren’t super gender conforming to provide their birth certificates to use the restroom. Then they’ll escalate until workers conform or get shoved out. After that, strict gender dress codes for all employees, then gender-specific roles… sometime down the line, a ban on married women working in state organisations, women unofficially barred from most workplaces & most roles, and ideally barred from being out of the house without a male relative as chaperone, blocked from having a bank account or owning property, and in due course… welp now they are property.

    jarfil ,
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    Outside the bathrooms, peeing on the wall/floor… or something.

    (if I were intersex, I’d go with malicious compliance)

    apis , (edited )

    Fairly confident that fascists don’t want intersex people to exist at all. They won’t say that openly yet, but they clearly find them as bothersome as trans and nonbinary people.

    Nor do they want cis people wandering around thinking they can neglect to adhere to strict conservative gender norms. Indeed, this is likely what all of their deep hatred toward trans people is really about - the means to rile themselves up enough to inflict strict gender norms on the whole population. Whether they are fantasising about a world which looks like a 1950s advertisement for a refrigerator, or several levels more regressive again, they’re not intending any sort of pleasant outcome for anyone whose body or behaviour or identity does not quite fit with the fascist fantasy.

    They won’t succeed in getting that far, but they absolutely will continue to ramp up their attacks.

    EDIT: this is the crux of the phrase “trans rights are human rights”. Trans, NB & intersex people are the canary in the coalmine.

    Jaysyn , to Politics in [News] House Judiciary Committee expected to launch inquiry into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
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    while there are questions about what jurisdiction they have over state-level investigations.

    This is false . The lawyers that you should have spoken with about this would have told you that this is settled law & the answer is "very little".

    The has already made it clear that Congressional whatevers are now optional.

    They are going to get hit with State Obstruction of Justice charges, though. Bet.

    HarkMahlberg , to Politics in [News] House Judiciary Committee expected to launch inquiry into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
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    Weaponized government indeed.

    JelloBrains OP , to Politics in [News] House Judiciary Committee expected to launch inquiry into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
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    For anyone playing along, CNN reports the House Committee has sent a letter demanding documents about the case.

    House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan sent Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis a letter requesting a slew of documents by September 7, confirming CNN’s exclusive reporting that the panel was opening an investigation into Willis.

    In the letter, Jordan lays out why he believes his panel has jurisdiction over Willis’ probe and accuses Willis of being politically motivated.

    “Your indictment and prosecution implicate substantial federal interests, and the circumstances surrounding your actions raise serious concerns about whether they are politically motivated,” Jordan writes.

    SlowNPC , to Politics in [News] House Judiciary Committee expected to launch inquiry into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
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    "Sure, our guy is indicted for dozens of serious crimes you saw him commit on TV, but all their people are under investigation. Best not look into it too deep, conclude they're all corrupt, and keep voting for the party that reinforces your prejudices."

    BraveSirZaphod , to Politics in [News] House Judiciary Committee expected to launch inquiry into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
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    I thought Republicans were strong supporters of states' rights and their freedom and independence from interference by the federal government.

    Curious!

    Madison_rogue ,
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    They're strong supporters of a state's right to discriminate discriminately.

    bedrooms , to U.S. News in Harsh penalties approved for Florida state college employees who use restrooms that don't correspond with gender assigned at birth | CNN

    Why are these right wingers obsessed with toilet rules? Rhetorical question.

    rothaine ,

    Seriously, they care about this so fucking much, it’s just boggling

    HiDiddlyDoodlyHo , to U.S. News in Houston issues mandatory water restrictions due to intense heat, worsening drought | CNN

    The title makes it sound like the water restrictions are what’s worsening the drought.

    Rentlar ,
    Auzy , to U.S. News in Harsh penalties approved for Florida state college employees who use restrooms that don't correspond with gender assigned at birth | CNN

    Any chance we can have a dedicated left wing male bathroom too? I’m not sure I want right wingers staring at my Wang whilst I’m peeing to confirm my gender giving me stage fright

    PostMalort , to U.S. News in Harsh penalties approved for Florida state college employees who use restrooms that don't correspond with gender assigned at birth | CNN

    I’m going to need to see your birth certificate and your penis before I can let you in this restroom Jim. How is this meant to work exactly?

    storksforlegs , (edited ) to U.S. News in Harsh penalties approved for Florida state college employees who use restrooms that don't correspond with gender assigned at birth | CNN
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    How would this work?

    What are they going to do put cameras in every bathroom and toilet stall in the state?

    Or more likely encouraging snitching karens barging in on people they suspect of being in the wrong toilet.

    jarfil ,
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    What are they going to do put cameras in every bathroom and toilet stall in the state?

    Not enough. You’d need a camera in every toilet, and people to review the footage… maybe reduce government spending by crowd-sourcing it, post the videos on “hidden camera” porn sites and let the community vote… 🙄

    MonsieurHedge , to Politics in [News] Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners | CNN Politics
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    This headline may as well have a link to Lemmygrad labeled "EXHIBIT A:"

    Pistcow , to Politics in [News] Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners | CNN Politics

    Joe Rogan? Elon Musk?

    Arotrios OP ,
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    Most likely, but they're not in this article. I called out the operatives they did name in the tags on the post:

    rafoix ,

    They do regurgitate some of the propaganda. Musk prefers nazis though.

    athos77 , to Politics in [News] Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners | CNN Politics

    I don't think you can say that Tucker Carlson is "unwitting".

    Deleted ,

    more witless than unwitting

    Unaware7013 , to Politics in [News] Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners | CNN Politics

    Republicans aren't 'unwittingly' spreading the Russian propaganda though, they know what they're doing.

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