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RIP_Cheems , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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As a retort, why do we need to know this?

soggy_kitty ,

It’ll be related to wealth and net worth somehow. The internet is obsessed with distribution of wealth

1847953620 ,

innumeracy. “Why would it help to have an intuitive understanding of large quantities? You think it would help grasp situations where they’re used or something?”

LifeInMultipleChoice , (edited )

Think it alludes to things around if you have 5 million dollars you can live off it for the rest of your life. If you have 5 billion dollars you can buy a $500,000 house daily and never use a dollar of your initial 5 billion. (Assuming 5% interest). Creating a forever rich family that no one will ever have to work again. That interest all gets pulled from the lower & middle classes slowly draining them and in truth the 5B owner won’t be buying a new house daily, it will just rack up and maybe they will invest in a few other large companies. Until eventually you get a financial distribution that looks similar to what we have today. And it only gets worse unless you can tax in such a way that the wealth feeds back into those lower classes. A person with 20m dollars isn’t much of an issue. A person with 20b dollars can wreck an economic system over time.

The economic system is set up in such a way that rich eventually are taking food out of the poors mouths by breathing. Or not, in the U.S. we had an official state something along the lines of only a fool pays inheritance tax.

XTornado , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

I had a dream this week that I won 2 billions somehow in a lottery. I had so many headaches thinking about all the friends etc… and how to give the millions away to all of them and family. And these guys are storing them like a dragon and it’s gold.

Skates , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

People don’t have a strong intuitive sense of how much bigger one thousand is than one.

One second is one second.

One thousand seconds is like 15 minutes idk it’s not very intuitive.

Anyway, it’s about a thousand times bigger.

Hope this helps.

I should find some better hobbies.

IvanOverdrive , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

What blows my mind is is that astronomers work with numbers incomprehensible to the human mind every day. Of course, they can calculate them, but to comprehend what a trip to our nearest galaxy would be like? Pretty damn difficult. What it would be like to travel from one end of the known universe to the other? Our fragile minds just can’t take in numbers of that magnitude.

ArcaneGadget , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

And in “long scale”, a billion is 31 710 years.

uriel238 , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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It’s much like trying to imagine the mass of the sun having only known the earth, or the vastness of space having only known the solar system.

Iron_Lynx , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

There’s a Tom Scott video where he illustrates the difference between a million USD and a billion USD, expressed as the size of a stack of 1 dollar bills.

A million was about the size of a football field and a less than two minute walk.

A billion took him from somewhere near London all the way to the east coast, and had him drive for over an hour.

The video in question.

Kecessa , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

What’s funny is millionaires arguing against tax increases on the right when they are much closer to the pleb than they are from the billionaires that are the ones who would really pay the price.

MotoAsh ,

Once you reach a certain point of greed, nothing is ever enough money. That’s why they need to be made illegal. They are literaly economic cancer.

Fleur__ , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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It’s 1000 times bigger, woah

cosmicrookie , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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I think that this is a pretty bad and deceptive way of demonstrating the size comparison. Mainly because only 60 sec go into 1 minute, not 100. Only 60 min go into 1 hour not 100. Only 24 to a day etc.

Still though I agree thet people have a hard time grasoingbthe difference between millions and billions

vithigar ,

Why do the ratios of conversion matter at all? The point is that all three of 1 second, 11 days, and 31.5 years are human comprehensible quantities. You can look at those values and actually understand the difference without having to do mental conversions.

cosmicrookie , (edited )
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Well, because you can see at the result of this meme, that the result is extremely misleading. It is correct but not representative of how much more one billion is compared to a million.

1bill is just 1000 times more than 1mil. The example here makes it look like a lot more.

Instead you could compare 1mil kilograms = 22 Titanic’s where 1bill kilograms = 22000 Titanics. But that is too straight forward and people would not react the same way as they do when you use time instead of a ratio that is representative of the numbers you are trying to compare

vithigar ,

What? It is exactly representative. The values are correct and comprehensible. The fact that the numeric orders of magnitude of the units involved don’t progress uniformly is irrelevant. The point is that they are all values that are relatable within normal human experience.

1 kilogram, 22 Titanics, and 22000 Titanics doesn’t help at all. There is no number of Titanics that is is a human relatable quantity.

Spendrill , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
epygots ,

There really is a Tom Scott video for each possible topic out there, amazing

Sgt_choke_n_stroke , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

As a computer guy, just say, what’s bigger? A gigabyte or a terabyte? That’s the difference between a million and a billion.

Knusper ,

Gigabyte is a billion bytes, terabyte is a trillion bytes. But yes, relatively speaking, you’re correct.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

For clarity, the scale in difference is the same between a terabyte and a gigabyte as compared to a billion and a million (a factor of 1000). But a gigabyte is not a million bytes and a terabyte is not a billion bytes Kilo = thousand Mega = million Giga = billion Tera = trillion

CrayonRosary , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

It’s 3 more zeroes. It’s nothing.

STRIKINGdebate2 , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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I think people can’t really comprehend this because a long time ago a million was a lot of money. Like, if you had a million in your bank account you were a rich person. Nowadays that means you are just an average person with a little extra money. Heck, in places like San Francisco having a million means you are just scraping by.

kryptonianCodeMonkey , (edited )

That’s… not accurate. The average American family has $62.5k in total across savings, checking, prepaid cards, money market accounts and call deposit accounts. That’s more than an order of magnitude under $1 million. Those households with $1 million dollars in assets (which also includes investments and homes/property) are in the 87th percentile. At $2 million in assets, they’re already in the 95th percentile. You’re not wrong that a million dollar net worth is not what it used to be, but it is still far far far above average.

The bay area/San Francisco does require an inordinate amount of money to be financially comfortable, but that is an outlier, not the norm. Even other major metropolitan areas like Houston don’t require even half as much money for the same financial comfort. In non-urban areas a million dollar net worth would make you among the wealthiest in the area. The context of the environment, house prices and local cost of living play a major factor in one’s relative wealth in a given area. The inequality of those factors in different parts of the country is as great as the wealth inequality in America in general.

Fester , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

At a modest average annual dividend yield of 4%, $1 million in investments will generate $40,000 in income. $1 billion will generate $40,000,000.

Grayox OP ,
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Hot damn that is a good way to contextualize it.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

For real. Once you are a billionaire, with even the most basic investments, you have to try REAL hard to become broke again. Spare money begets money. Spare dragon hoards begets dragon hoards. Any bitch baby billionaire whining about taxes can kiss every single asshole of single working parents, people struggling to cover student loan debts, people who perpetually rent because they can’t afford a home with a lower mortgage payment than there rent is, and every person who got ill and lost there job and home as a result. They don’t need more dragon hoards. They’ll be just fine.

spankinspinach ,

This is the best way to explain it I’ve seen. Tell me those billionaires are struggling 🙄

i_simp_4_tedcruz ,

That’s how multiplication by 1000 works

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