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Fester , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

At a modest average annual dividend yield of 4%, $1 million in investments will generate $40,000 in income. $1 billion will generate $40,000,000.

Grayox OP ,
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Hot damn that is a good way to contextualize it.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

For real. Once you are a billionaire, with even the most basic investments, you have to try REAL hard to become broke again. Spare money begets money. Spare dragon hoards begets dragon hoards. Any bitch baby billionaire whining about taxes can kiss every single asshole of single working parents, people struggling to cover student loan debts, people who perpetually rent because they can’t afford a home with a lower mortgage payment than there rent is, and every person who got ill and lost there job and home as a result. They don’t need more dragon hoards. They’ll be just fine.

spankinspinach ,

This is the best way to explain it I’ve seen. Tell me those billionaires are struggling 🙄

i_simp_4_tedcruz ,

That’s how multiplication by 1000 works

Anticorp , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

People think of a billion as 10-100x more than a million. It’s one thousand million.

plague_sapiens ,
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10^9 = 10^6 * 10^3

I like math^^

PhlubbaDubba , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

One million years ago some of our more advanced ancestors walked the earth

One billion years ago multicellular life having evolved yet is debated

Skates , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

People don’t have a strong intuitive sense of how much bigger one thousand is than one.

One second is one second.

One thousand seconds is like 15 minutes idk it’s not very intuitive.

Anyway, it’s about a thousand times bigger.

Hope this helps.

I should find some better hobbies.

RIP_Cheems , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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As a retort, why do we need to know this?

soggy_kitty ,

It’ll be related to wealth and net worth somehow. The internet is obsessed with distribution of wealth

1847953620 ,

innumeracy. “Why would it help to have an intuitive understanding of large quantities? You think it would help grasp situations where they’re used or something?”

LifeInMultipleChoice , (edited )

Think it alludes to things around if you have 5 million dollars you can live off it for the rest of your life. If you have 5 billion dollars you can buy a $500,000 house daily and never use a dollar of your initial 5 billion. (Assuming 5% interest). Creating a forever rich family that no one will ever have to work again. That interest all gets pulled from the lower & middle classes slowly draining them and in truth the 5B owner won’t be buying a new house daily, it will just rack up and maybe they will invest in a few other large companies. Until eventually you get a financial distribution that looks similar to what we have today. And it only gets worse unless you can tax in such a way that the wealth feeds back into those lower classes. A person with 20m dollars isn’t much of an issue. A person with 20b dollars can wreck an economic system over time.

The economic system is set up in such a way that rich eventually are taking food out of the poors mouths by breathing. Or not, in the U.S. we had an official state something along the lines of only a fool pays inheritance tax.

XTornado , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

I had a dream this week that I won 2 billions somehow in a lottery. I had so many headaches thinking about all the friends etc… and how to give the millions away to all of them and family. And these guys are storing them like a dragon and it’s gold.

cosmicrookie , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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I think that this is a pretty bad and deceptive way of demonstrating the size comparison. Mainly because only 60 sec go into 1 minute, not 100. Only 60 min go into 1 hour not 100. Only 24 to a day etc.

Still though I agree thet people have a hard time grasoingbthe difference between millions and billions

vithigar ,

Why do the ratios of conversion matter at all? The point is that all three of 1 second, 11 days, and 31.5 years are human comprehensible quantities. You can look at those values and actually understand the difference without having to do mental conversions.

cosmicrookie , (edited )
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Well, because you can see at the result of this meme, that the result is extremely misleading. It is correct but not representative of how much more one billion is compared to a million.

1bill is just 1000 times more than 1mil. The example here makes it look like a lot more.

Instead you could compare 1mil kilograms = 22 Titanic’s where 1bill kilograms = 22000 Titanics. But that is too straight forward and people would not react the same way as they do when you use time instead of a ratio that is representative of the numbers you are trying to compare

vithigar ,

What? It is exactly representative. The values are correct and comprehensible. The fact that the numeric orders of magnitude of the units involved don’t progress uniformly is irrelevant. The point is that they are all values that are relatable within normal human experience.

1 kilogram, 22 Titanics, and 22000 Titanics doesn’t help at all. There is no number of Titanics that is is a human relatable quantity.

IvanOverdrive , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

What blows my mind is is that astronomers work with numbers incomprehensible to the human mind every day. Of course, they can calculate them, but to comprehend what a trip to our nearest galaxy would be like? Pretty damn difficult. What it would be like to travel from one end of the known universe to the other? Our fragile minds just can’t take in numbers of that magnitude.

Sgt_choke_n_stroke , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

As a computer guy, just say, what’s bigger? A gigabyte or a terabyte? That’s the difference between a million and a billion.

Knusper ,

Gigabyte is a billion bytes, terabyte is a trillion bytes. But yes, relatively speaking, you’re correct.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

For clarity, the scale in difference is the same between a terabyte and a gigabyte as compared to a billion and a million (a factor of 1000). But a gigabyte is not a million bytes and a terabyte is not a billion bytes Kilo = thousand Mega = million Giga = billion Tera = trillion

ArcaneGadget , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

And in “long scale”, a billion is 31 710 years.

uriel238 , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
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It’s much like trying to imagine the mass of the sun having only known the earth, or the vastness of space having only known the solar system.

Kecessa , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

What’s funny is millionaires arguing against tax increases on the right when they are much closer to the pleb than they are from the billionaires that are the ones who would really pay the price.

MotoAsh ,

Once you reach a certain point of greed, nothing is ever enough money. That’s why they need to be made illegal. They are literaly economic cancer.

Iron_Lynx , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

There’s a Tom Scott video where he illustrates the difference between a million USD and a billion USD, expressed as the size of a stack of 1 dollar bills.

A million was about the size of a football field and a less than two minute walk.

A billion took him from somewhere near London all the way to the east coast, and had him drive for over an hour.

The video in question.

hogunner , to Work Reform in One Mississippi

I have a theory about this: We group money in magnitudes of tens up to a million but then jump up from 10x to 1,000x:

1

10

100

1,000

10,000

100,000

1,000,000

1,000,000,000

That’s a huge increase but our minds like patterns so we instinctively feel that a billion must be about 10x a million and not the 1,000x it really is, thus leading to huge inaccuracies.

unfreeradical ,
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Much of our perception is logarithmic, which is predictable, since patterns occur from proportion of quantities. Absolute quantities are meaningless in themselves. Even ten dollars as a quantity is meaningless except through prior experience understanding the value of a single dollar. Every value except the smallest is tenfold greater than some other value of at least some consequence.

anguo ,

I don’t really understand your initial assumption. What if someone has 10 million dollars? Would you say he has 0.01 billion?

I think that your theory has some merit, but I believe it’s more apparent when we describe the people who own the money, as opposed to the money itself: A millionaire will stay a (multi)millionaire until they become a billionaire.

starman2112 , (edited )
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I think the idea is that we still think of someone who has >1 million but <1 billion as having some number of millions of dollars, rather than subdividing “millions” into “millions,” “tens of millions,” and “hundreds of millions.” Of course we do subdivide that when we’re being particular about how incredibly rich some actor is or something, but generally they all fall on the same order of magnitude in our minds.

hogunner ,

Correct

hogunner ,

That’s my point. We (those of us that aren’t at least millionaires) don’t really differentiate in society between someone that has a million dollars and someone that has 10 million dollars; they’re both stuck in the “millionaires” tier.

So say you are making $50,000 a year, well it’s easy to see how you or someone like you could (theoretically) get to $100,000; that’s just the next tier up. And then it’s easy to imagine someone going from $100,000 to a million because that’s the next tier up again. But once you get there, people don’t tend to think of ten million as a tier and usually not a hundred million either. The next tier in our zeitgeist after million is billion.

So people tend to think of billion being kind of the same as going from $100,000 to $1,000,000. Hence the common disconnect about just how much more money a billionaire has than the common man.

Spendrill , to Work Reform in One Mississippi
epygots ,

There really is a Tom Scott video for each possible topic out there, amazing

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