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Nougat , to Politics in U.S. states urged to block Donald Trump from 2024 run

Full text of the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, passed July 9, 1868.

Consider for a moment why the Fourteenth Amendment exists. It was drafted and adopted as a direct response to the US Civil War, which ended May 9, 1865. Many US states attempted to secede, leaving the United States to form a completely separate nation, and they did so to preserve legal slavery. The Fourteenth clarifies a number of things which the Confederacy used to justify and execute secession.

Section 1 makes all native born or naturalized people citizens, and the specific purpose was to make African-Americans citizens, with the full rights that citizenship carries.

Section 2 eliminates the three-fifths compromise, where each five slaves were counted as three "persons" for the purpose of representation in the House of Representatives. That was always a shitty compromise, because the slaves states got to have their cake (slaves with no rights, including the right to vote) and eat it too (but we get to count them so that we have greater power in the House). This basically made votes from citizens of slaves states, and their representatives in the House carry more weight than votes in non-slave states. (We still have the scale-tipping electoral college doing the same thing then, and today, but to a far lesser degree).

Section 3 is the part that's being pointed out as pertinent to current events in 2023. This was important in the aftermath of the Civil War in order to prevent secessionists who had held office prior to the Civil War from holding office again. "Did you take an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, and then break that oath by engaging in insurrection or rebellion against that Constitution? You don't get to be in charge of anything governmental ever again." That "disability" exists, it does not require a trial, it does not require indictment, because in 1868, it was plain to all who was bound by this disability. But it clearly just exists, because a vote of two-thirds of each House of Congress can remove it. Donald Trump is absolutely not the only person to whom this section can apply. I would expect some state to prohibit Trump from the ballot on this basis, and then for that to end up before Congress for that vote. The outcome of that vote would determine the future of the United States in every meaningful way.

Section 4 basically says, "Hey assholes, you're going to have to take part in paying the expense of having to put down the rebellion you started, and you're not able to claim any expenses of that rebellion, and we're not paying you because you lost your slave labor. Fuck you."

Finally, section 5, "If this wasn't clear enough, we'll make it clearer with additional legislation."

GrimChaos , to Politics in U.S. states urged to block Donald Trump from 2024 run

He should not be able to run based on the disqualification clause of the 14th amendment because of the instruction.

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:​

“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

violetraven , to Politics in The one Democrat who voted with Republicans to block military abortions
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“Democratic member of the House—Texas Congressman Henry Cuellar, an outspoken abortion opponent—sided with his Republican colleagues Thursday afternoon.” Fuck Henry Cuellar. Fake ass bitch.

sgo , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

Why would anyone vote for Matt Gaetz instead of someone with brains? It’s a mystery.

DarkGamer OP ,
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His deep-red district is in panhandle Florida, which has a reputation for inbreeding in the United States and is close to Alabama both culturally and physically. Evidently they like his abhorrent behavior.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

Floridians call it Florabama for a reason. Stealing an old joke from my Iowan family, if that part of the Florida panhandle was given to Alabama, both states average IQs would go up.

xc2215x , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

A terrible idea from Matt here.

theyresocool , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

Well yea Florida is in bed with every criminal imaginable. 56 different white supremacy groups in your state makes it obvious how engrained in white supremacy and corruption and drug/human trade they are down there.

The entire swamp contains poison water.

Jaysyn , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO
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Russia was offered a spot in NATO in the 90's. They declined.

Tetra , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO
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This is idiotic in too many ways to count

sadreality , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

Low education take lol

takeda ,

Maybe, but that's not it in this case. It's from where the paycheck is coming. It matches his other views.

GOP was infiltrated, by pro Kremlin politicians. I think the word "tankies" for them is appropriate. Yes that term was for communists supporting use of taka about population. The Russia is no longer communist, it switched to fascism, but the practices stayed and the same people are still supporting it.

effingjoe , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

Someone should probably ask him why he thinks NATO was formed in the first place.

daellat , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

Ah yes, the anti-china Russia vs the obviously pro-china Ukraine, how could we have not seen this ourselves

Anomandaris ,
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Time for America's newest game show! Are they a bought Russian asset, or are they just stupid? Stay tuned to find out!

fearout ,
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If they reveal the correct answer at the end of each episode I’d totally watch that

SOCIAL_ME_UR_TITS ,

You'll just get bored after ep3 because it's always the same answer

fearout ,
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…both?

ivanafterall , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

Matt Gaetz would have prevented World War II by simply inviting Hitler to be a part of the Allies' team.

wagesj45 , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO
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This man is deeply unserious.

magnetosphere , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO
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Not sure how to react in a given situation? Easy! Just do the opposite of what Matt Gaetz would do!

mr_sparkle , to Politics in Matt Gaetz would rather have Russia than Ukraine in NATO

He also prefers children to adults.

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