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Alexmitter , in This again: What distro are you using for gaming?
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Fedora without any question. There is no other distro this polished.

jakwithoutac OP ,

Worried about the Red Hat nonsense at all? I’m not super plugged into the news on it all.

Alexmitter ,
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No.

polygon ,
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The way it was explained to me was Fedora = RHEL Alpha, CentOS Stream = RHEL Beta, RHEL is Stable, then there are downstreams who build against RHEL. Only those who are downstream of REHL are effected by the changes. Both Fedora and Cent are necessary development platforms to support everything that eventually makes it down to RHEL in stable condition. They both depend on RHEL for funding, but RHEL depends on them for testing.

Limitless_screaming , in Nobara Gnome is just a terrible experience.
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I don't really understand why you find chrooting hard or what's wrong with the tutorials you found. Can you point out which step of it is difficult. this is the first tutorial I get for Manjaro, is there something missing or left ambiguous?

DarkThoughts OP ,

I use btrfs + encryption. The tutorials just state "you have to do this and that", but not exactly what any of that means or how I apply it to my system, since the commands obviously need tinkering to make sense for my specific use case. It's not really a step by step, but a step by step jump to step X for this and then to step Y for that but make sure to do "something you don't understand / know" to be sure that "something you also don't know". It's basically all just a cryptic mess if you don't know any of it beforehand and I don't think the authors have tested their tutorials on people without prior background knowledge.

DarkThoughts OP , (edited ) in Nobara Gnome is just a terrible experience.

Found a solution to remove the tiling icon / menu thingy: Install "Extension Manager" and then disable the extension "Pop Shell".

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And found a new problem:
- Spellcheck options in Firefox are ALL the English languages, but none of the installed ones.

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  • Steam can't be closed properly as it ends up sitting unresponsive in the task bar and needs its task to be killed.

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I found out the Firefox spellcheck somehow fetches its dictionaries from "/usr/share/hunspell". How do I make FF fetch the regular dictionaries I added to it through Firefox, or what is the proper way to find dictionaries for that folder (I assume I can just delete the excess English variants)?

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You can just remove the folder in about:config, however it now shows only the US spelling, despite having another language installed...

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Managed to get the other spellcheck dictionary to show up.

  • Evolution mail client fails at 2 factor authentication. Window just shows "OAuth2 secreot not found" and no matter how many times I try it does not send a verification request to my phone.

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  • "Files" can't jump to folders starting with letter X because it immediately uses the (still crashy) search function.
  • Can't drag & drop files from my Firefox download manager (pop up, not extra window) onto a folder without having to manually tab to it. Tabbing starts AFTER the "Files" process though, so you have to tab all the way through. Under KDE I could just drag it onto the file manager in the panel, which would focus the file manager and then drop the files in or onto the folder I wanted.
  • "Archive Manager (also known as File Roller)" can't even drag & drop files from an archive into a folder. I don't even know how people can use Gnome with it lacking such basic functionalities. What the hell are you doing with your lives?!

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OpenRGB now suddenly works as intended. Not sure if there was an update for it or if that's a temporary oddity but for now I'll take it.

lucidwielder , in Firefox 115 ESR Is Here with Hardware Video Decoding for Intel GPUs on Linux

Might win me back over if the weird green lines and glitching I always see with chrome on intel GPUs under linux goes away. I've also spent a lot of time trying to debug the issue but nothing ever seems to fix it and of course none of the Linux driver devs that might be able to fix it care to work on the problem imo.

Guess I have felt lucky to have hardware decoding at all on chrome - considering the it has taken Firefox this long to support intel GPUs. I imagine it has something to do with how massive their codebase is compared to everyone elses.

staticlifetime OP ,
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Considering how good Firefox is, and how much of a monopoly that Chrome-based browsers have over the web, I'd run Firefox just to support freedom of choice.

free , in Open source developers - have the recent moves by RedHat changed your opinion of using non-GPL licenses?

So as a casual fedora user what does this mean? Closed sourced code/apps? No more updates? Tx

Mr_Figtree ,
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For Fedora users it changes nothing at all. Fedora is upstream from Enterprise Linux. There's no practical reason you'd want to switch to a different distribution, just maybe a personal one if you strongly dislike what Red Hat is doing to the RHEL clones.

free ,

Tx bud 👍 I only use fedora due to newer apps compared to linux mint. I guess opensuse can do the same. Arch not a fan.

stevecrox , in Open source developers - have the recent moves by RedHat changed your opinion of using non-GPL licenses?
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The GPL requires you to distribute the GPL source code along side artefacts generated from it.

Red Hat used to share everything with everyone, they never needed to do that. To meet the requirements they need to share the code sources with licensed customers. This is what they have switched to doing.

This is my problem with the GPL, it feels like a cult of personality built around Stallman. With people assuming its somehow a magical license.

Businesses largely treat GPL as libraries they don't modify (or legal gets frowny face) so they don't have to share their code.

The "less free" licenses are generally ok to use and modify (the WTFPL caused fun with legal in one job). If you modify an open source project its normally easy to build a business case/convince a client to upstream the changes.

All the Red Hat changes demonstrate is another step towards an Oracle/Microsoft licensing model. Which is a good reason to not use RHEL or Fedora.

xylan OP ,

The legal loophole RedHat found I'm guessing is something that might trigger GPLv4 to stop this behaviour (effectively punishing someone for exercising their GPL rights).

You're right that most use of OSS doesn't involve modification so it doesn't really matter, but packaging changes are still useful.

I know Stallman was the strongest advocate of the GPL but personally I like the principle of reciprocity which it enshrines. For all of their contributions it's important to realise that companies like RedHat are very much building on the work of OSS developers.

staticlifetime ,
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Well, considering Linux is using GPLv2, I think it'd be too late for it to help Linux, which is kind of a big deal I guess.

UnhappyCamper , in Former Canonical Developer is Working on a Script that Replaces Snaps with Flatpaks
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Interesting, though I'm unsure why you'd bother with this. The script just searches for equivalent flatpaks and converts them. If there's no flatpak in existence for an app, it doesn't do anything to it. Just download the equivalent flatpak to begin with? Am I missing something?

staticlifetime OP ,
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Same reason why you'd automate anything. It saves you some time if that's what you're trying to do.

Wolfram , in This week in KDE: Plasma 6 development continues

I look forward to Plasma 6. Right now I'm stuck on Gnome Wayland because it's more stable than Plasma's implementation of Wayland for my hardware currently. But it's great to see the effort to squash bugs for Plasma 6's release.

Jarmer , in Why Corporate Owned Linux Distributions are a Bad Idea
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I'm pretty happy with my Tumbleweed installation, and I don't think I'll be leaving anytime soon.

raspberry_confetti ,
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Right? Like it or not, we live in a society dominated by money. A very small number of Linux distributions have found a way to sustainably produce an excellent product. That's a good thing. The alternatives are either burnout or insecurity.

sik0fewl ,

And let's not forget that a lot of contributions to Linux have come from Red Hat and other companies.

nostalgicgamerz , in Why Corporate Owned Linux Distributions are a Bad Idea

What the fuck is happening with RedHat? Can someone explainlikeimfive?

falsem ,

RedHat is only going to provide source code to their paying customers. This is legally compliant with the GPL. This has made a lot of people mad because there are a lot of distros that are essentially copy/pasted Redhat code that people use.

thingsiplay , in Why Corporate Owned Linux Distributions are a Bad Idea
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@wave_walnut Thanks, the recap was important to understand what happened so far. As it seems, the writing was on the wall. Now I understand why so many was against Red Hat, similar to how they were against Canonical (but for other reasons).

exohuman ,
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I don’t get the Canonical hate. They are innovative and have contributed a lot to the Linux community. Also, Linux is their focus. Without companies like them, development would be a lot slower.

thingsiplay ,
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@exohuman It's not hating everything, but criticizing certain aspects they did in the past or they do now. I don't know how long you are using Linux, but I did start with Ubuntu in 2008 and used it exclusively for 13 years (approx.). Just because a company was good in the beginning does not mean it is now too.

Examples why is listed in the above linked video. In the past, Canonical was criticized for not working on Wayland and instead creating their own alternative that is MIR. Due to the popularity of Ubuntu, that would make things in the Linux world complicated as MIR and Wayland need to be developed and supported. Instead using GNOME or any other existing desktop environment, they started their own. While I found that perfectly okay, in the beginning it looked like focus on tablets and was not good in the beginning (I actually liked Unity desktop environment later).

Now they are pushing Snaps, which will create another eco system that besides Flatpak. And it is mostly just for Ubuntu. Snaps were bad in the beginning, so it got a bad image from the start. That's not all. The servers for Snaps is proprietary. And you can't just add another source to Snaps, like you can do with Flatpaks. Meaning if you have your own server with Snaps delivery, you need to opt out of Snapcraft .io servers from Canonical. Do you want know more? One of the reasons I left Ubuntu was that Snaps are spamming the loop devices (most don't care). Then there is this clunky PPA system, which has some problems too (and why Canonical ties to switch to Snap instead).

What else do we have? Ah yes. Do you know about the Amazon incident? Ubuntu had spyware built-into their search functionality, where Amazon would get search queries without the consent of the users.

And not all, there was plans to drop support for 32 bit libraries, which would make gaming with Steam really bad. Obviously this is not something everyone cares, but that was an important reason for many not to use Ubuntu anymore. Because of the uncertainty.

I am not suggesting that everything is bad! Just listing a few things why the community started to dislike Ubuntu. Also nowadays nothing innovative comes from Ubuntu; it's stale, it's boring. Which is fine if you like that, but that is not innovative or leading anymore. The landscape of alternatives changed. I personally don't hate Canonical or Ubuntu. I stopped using it for several other reasons too, not just because of the listed problems. Some exaggerate and start hating in the internet.

falsem ,

And not all, there was plans to drop support for 32 bit libraries, which would make gaming with Steam really bad. Obviously this is not something everyone cares, but that was an important reason for many not to use Ubuntu anymore. Because of the uncertainty.

This contributed to Valve switching SteamOS to Arch.

thingsiplay ,
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@falsem I remember. But at that time, Steam OS 2 was already based on Debian and not Ubuntu anymore. Steam OS 1 was based on Ubuntu if I remember correctly. Therefore what Ubuntu does wouldn't affect Valve anyway. So I don't know how much this played a role in switching to Arch. So the timing might be just coincidence.

RomanRoy , in Check Out These Linux-Related Magazines on Kbin
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Hey kbin fellas

Why not follow the Lemmy communities already created? Most of these already exist and are larger, I think.

staticlifetime OP ,
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Instances exist for more than just to access singular communities. You can access our stuff here, and we will go to y'all as well. This is no small community either. We choose to be on kbin for a reason.

tophu , in Help me find a fitting distro
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I'm going to suggest one I'm not seeing here; OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. I cut my teeth on Tumbleweed for years, and it has the pros of a rolling release while YaST provides the tools needed to have a stable base that rivals that of Ubuntu. Gaming is extremely easy to get set up, and you can choose pretty much any major desktop, although I recommend XFCE.

euphoriainafruit ,

I tried tumbleweed, but zypper was just agonizingly slow. Is there any way to speed up the updates?

melroy , in Help me find a fitting distro
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Linux Mint is perfect! Avoid Ubuntu, which has a very shady history... Despite Mint being based on Ubuntu/Debian, it doesn't have any spying software. Like Ubuntu used to send all the search queries to Ubuntu when you were searching locally on your system for a file or an image.

Balssh OP ,

I'm not as focused on privacy (don't stone me to death pls), but I am not very keen on Ubuntu, having dabed a bit into it in the past.

melroy ,
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Well you can in that case still try out Linux Mint.. I mean, why not?

jabeez , in Help me find a fitting distro

Kubuntu or KDE Neon (also a 'buntu). I absolutely love KDE, and the Linux desktop experience in general has come a long, loooonnng ways in recent years.

rokejulianlockhart ,
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Is Kubuntu with KDE backports or KDE Neon better?

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