Trump’s lawyer drops an unsettling hint about his defense strategy ( archive.ph )

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Barely hours after Donald Trump was indicted Tuesday for engaging in a wide-ranging criminal conspiracy to overturn U.S. democracy, his defense lawyer, John Lauro, went on Fox News and telegraphed his coming strategy. Lauro said prosecutors cannot prove Trump truly “believed” he’d lost his 2020 presidential reelection, ensuring a not-guilty verdict.

That’s gotten lots of attention, most of it appropriately dismissive. But Lauro also slipped another assertion into his appearance that merits more worry: He declared that Trump merely acted on what he thought was reasonable advice from his lawyer, John Eastman.

“He had advice of counsel, a very detailed memorandum from a constitutional expert,” Lauro said of Trump and Eastman. Lauro argued this convinced Trump that he could reasonably ask Vice President Mike Pence to halt Congress’s count of presidential electors to allow states to revisit voting irregularities.

“That’s the only thing that President Trump suggested,” Lauro said, adding that everything Trump attempted “was done with lawyers giving him advice.” Lauro repeated this on NBC’s “Today” show, insisting Trump is “entitled” to “trust advice of counsel.”

This suggests that an “advice of counsel” argument will be central to Trump’s defense. Two of the indictment’s charges are that Trump obstructed the official proceeding of the electoral count and entered into a conspiracy to do so. But the obstruction charge requires proving “corrupt intent,” which could be undermined by the claim that he acted on his lawyers’ advice.

“I’ve always thought this might be his strongest argument,” New York University law professor Ryan Goodman, who has written extensively about the case, told me. Though Goodman believes this “won’t work,” he said it deserves more attention.

Eastman’s theory that Pence had the power to halt the electoral count was utterly baseless. But Matthew Seligman, an election law expert at the Stris and Maher firm, points out that Trump’s lawyers can argue that Trump, who isn’t exactly a legal mastermind, had no reason to doubt what he was being told.

“Prosecutors will need to argue that Trump could not have relied on Eastman’s advice in good faith, because his theories were so outlandish,” Seligman told me.

Trump’s argument could open the door to one juror concluding that, even if those theories were crazy, Trump grasped at them in desperation but in good faith. “If there’s a way for Trump to defeat these charges, this is the way,” Seligman said. “On the law, the prosecution can and should prevail on this point. But they will have to show that Trump adopted these theories in bad faith.”

To be clear, the indictment contains lots of ammunition against this defense. For instance, it shows Pence repeatedly told Trump he had no such authority. On one occasion, Trump blithely suggested he would “prefer” to believe otherwise. On another, Trump rebuked Pence for refusing to abuse his authority: “You’re too honest.”

Clearly Trump knew Eastman’s theory was baloney. But the rub is getting 12 jurors to agree — not to mention, perhaps, five Supreme Court justices.

Goodman agrees this is a real issue, but sees it as surmountable. That defense, he notes, doesn’t rebut other charges, such as conspiracy to defraud the United States, or other damning evidence, such as Trump’s pressure on a top Georgia official to “find” votes for him. Still, Goodman says, it “could knock out a huge chunk” of the indictment.

Trump’s propagandists have long worked to manufacture the impression that all these events rested, in some sense, on a foundation of innocent intent. He really believed he’d won. He was gratified by the mob but never intended violence. He merely exercised his legal options. This monumental gaslighting has clouded our national accounting with what really happened: A concerted, premeditated and (if a jury agrees) criminal plot to subvert U.S. democracy at its foundations, undertaken at the highest levels of power.

As David French writes for the New York Times, this is what’s on the line in the coming trial: Not just meting out justice to Trump, but getting millions of his supporters to accept the magnitude of his guilt. Disproving the argument that Trump acted legitimately on his lawyers’ advice could help: It could prove key to convicting Trump — but it would also deepen our reckoning with the nature of his crimes against the country.

And if Trump can convince a jury that he did legitimately act on advice of counsel? The stakes of getting this wrong are highly unsettling to contemplate.

azimir ,

If he goes this route, he must take the stand to make his case. He can’t use proxies who make claims about him, because to claim it was the lawyer’s fault, he can’t use hearsay testimony.

That’ll open him up to cross examination by the feds on the stand and under oath. Can anyone who isn’t a MAGAt cultist think that would go well? He’ll be crushed and end up exposing just how weak and mentally limited he is. Add in the threat of purgury and it would make for an epic collapse.

risottinopazzesco ,

Are you sure about this? It would be great if it was, him on the stand would be a catastrophe for his defense.

azimir ,

The “I didn’t know because I was relying on my lawyers” defence is based in your own beliefs. If you don’t take the stand and testify under oath, then how do you make a strong case for your own beliefs? He’ll have to testify to be able to convince the jury.

They likely won’t go down this route in the end. At the moment they’re doing all this weird strategy selection by crowd sourcing. It’s a strange muddied online and via TV news discussion about how to do the defence. Then the echo chamber latches onto some ideas and the lawyers actually seem to take it seriously. That’s how they got the special master in the Judge Cannon case: Fox news pundits started demanding it so Trump’s lawyers went with it and since Judge Cannon is a right wing shill, she did too. It totally backfired since the special master was actually good at his job, but it all came together from this strange reality<=>social media feedback look the right has going on.

JakenVeina ,

There was an article yesterday I read that talked about another implication of this defense: it opens up communications between Trump and his lawyers to discovery, I.E. it waives lawyer/client privilege. If he’s gonna go with “it was the lawyer’s idea!” he’d better hope he never sent any e-mails to the contrary.

spaceghoti OP ,
Anticorp ,

Trump doesn’t truly believe anything. He’s a pathological liar, and hopefully the jury remembers that.

jordanlund , (edited )
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Here’s the problem:

Eastman’s theory hinges on the STATES submitting alternate slates of electors the way Hawaii did in 1960 * and that’s NOT what they engineered here.

They put together false slates of electors, not selected by the states, and submitted them fraudulently to try to up-end the process.

So even if Trump believed it was legitimately in the power of the Vice President, it wasn’t because the alternate electors were fraudulent.

  • In 1960, the election was so close in Hawaii, they legitimately did not know who won by the time of the deadline to submit electors. As a result, the state sent TWO slates, one for Kennedy, and one for Nixon, with the instruction that only the slate for the actual winner should be counted and the winner should be known by the time the slates were counted.

Kennedy won, his slate was counted, Nixon’s was thrown out… by Vice President Nixon.

shawnshitshow ,

oh no I’m sure Jack Smith didn’t consider that!

let’s also conveniently ignore the dozens of other highly qualified experts in his orbit telling him this crackpot was full of shit.

deweydecibel ,

Well I’m sure he considered it, and has a plan to counter it, but if it goes to a jury…well, there’s a reason you should never opt for a jury trial.

spaceghoti OP ,

It’s been pointed out that Trump is such a well-known and polarizing individual it’s going to be nearly impossible to find twelve jurors who can be objective. So it’ll probably come down to trial by judge, and unfortunately for him, this judge isn’t going to cut him any slack. That’s why he’s requesting a change of venue to West Virginia where he’s more likely to find a judge friendly to him.

DigitalTraveler42 ,

Except that this strategy won’t work because there’s all kinds of evidence that Trump knew he lost, but Trump is going to definitely try to scapegoat a bunch of his lackeys for this, like Eastman and Giuliani.

Also I love that these idiots keep on going on television to tell the world what their strategy is, which includes the prosecutors on these cases, it’s just like Trump going on television or other forms of media to admit his crimes, but hey it’ll make the prosecutors jobs easier.

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