The constitutional case that Donald Trump is already banned from being president ( www.vox.com )

FTA:

Two conservative legal scholars, members of the Federalist Society in good standing, have just published an audacious argument: that Donald Trump is constitutionally prohibited from running for president, and that state election officials have not only the authority but the legal obligation to prevent his name from appearing on the ballot.

The legal paper, authored by University of Chicago professor William Baude and University of St. Thomas professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, centers on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment — a provision that limits people from returning to public office if they have since “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or “given aid or comfort” to those who have. Baude and Paulsen argue that this clearly covers Trump’s behavior between November 2020 and January 2021.

“The most politically explosive application of Section Three to the events of January 6, is at the same time the most straightforward,” Baude and Paulsen write. “Former President Donald J. Trump is constitutionally disqualified from again being President (or holding any other covered office) because of his role in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election and the events leading to the January 6 attack.”

PowerCrazy ,

Holy shit this liberal clickbait is just sad.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

How many Republicans would you estimate there are in the United States?

PowerCrazy ,

Too many. Much like the amount of “democrats”

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

So then go find someone better than this human pile of shit

Thorndike ,

And how do you feel about supporting a party that is using congress to investigate a private citizen, which it isn’t supposed to do, with absolutely no evidence?

The Jan 6th committee has hundreds of thousands of pages of evidence.

PowerCrazy ,

What? I do not support the Capitalist parties, and you shouldn’t either.

queermunist ,
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Do any of you think this matters?

ForestOrca ,
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Yes.

queermunist ,
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lol

whofearsthenight ,

I mean, given all of the other laws and such that he broke blatantly while in office, fuck no lol. Emoluments, Hatch act violations, the very obvious fact that either impeachment would have succeeded if republicans even pretended for a second to be principled and supported the constitution, etc.

Just toss it on the pile.

socsa ,

It will eventually. Incompetence and stupidity might not catch up with you immediately, but it’s like an immortal snail tirelessly pursuing you. Eventually it will get you.

queermunist ,
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Idealism.

There are, in fact, incompetent people that lived their whole lives facing zero consequences.

stephen01king ,

Such as?

queermunist ,
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Are you seriously asking for proof of people failing upwards? Just, never run into this before? Never seen a white man get promotion after promotion despite failing at everything he does? This is not an unknown phenomenon! It usually doesn’t reach the presidency… but o you expect George Bush to go to prison for his war crimes? Or even stop being invited to fancy dinners with celebrities?

We live in hell.

NattyNatty2x4 ,

Looooot of people are emotionally invested in the idea of karma/people eventually getting what they deserve. It’s really uncomfortable for them to be told that the real world is littered with narcissists and assholes who live a full and fulfilling life, never seeing true consequences for their actions

queermunist ,
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It’s a cope. They need to believe in divine fairness in the world to feel like life has any meaning or is worth living. It’s the same reason people believe in an afterlife with divine reward and punishment or in a next life where their current life determines how they reincarnate in the cycle. If life is just random horrible bullshit and there is no justice and there is no point and it all comes down to luck, then what was it all for???

I sympathize.

stephen01king ,

I’m asking for one example of someone living their whole life with zero consequence, like you claimed.

The original argument was not that there are no example of falling upwards, but that the consequence always come to bite them in the ass, even if it takes a while. You argued there are in fact people who lived their whole lives facing zero consequence for their actions, so that means it should be easy for you to show me one such example.

queermunist ,
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I gave you one - George W. Bush

APassenger ,

He’d need to be convicted. There would have to be a trial. For that, we’d need an indictment. I really wanted to think that would happen by now.

ComradeKhoumrag ,
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The more time and research you put into an investigation, the more likely you are to succeed. The time constraint is going to trial before elections, but you also want to max out time to prepare

o0joshua0o ,

This seems pretty clear cut to me. He should not be allowed to run again.

jballs ,
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It’s crazy that we ignore parts of the constitution just because they’re politically inconvenient.

jayrhacker ,

Sounds about right to me, and given the Jan 6th committee found Trump liable for the event, there is already a legal decision which elections officials can point to. Huh, looks like someone is trying to undermine the Jan 6th committee, wonder why they would do that?

PowerCrazy ,

Why does the “Jan 6th commitee” matter at all?

asteriskeverything ,

Did you happen to watch the televised portion of it? It was honestly amazing. It was like a legal case that went into detail from all different aspects of that day and what trump did that day and leading up to it. They explained everything that happened on the capitol at any given time and where, how close some statesmen got to the mob, how the mob spread out and what they were doing. It matters because they put in the work to investigate and put the time-line all together. It painted the full picture and it was straight facts.

Discrediting them is just discrediting the facts. That’s why it matters.

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