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Boebert is target of rivals at debate for new-to-her district in Colorado, where most Republican candidates debated last night have been arrested ( www.nytimes.com )

Seeking a better shot at victory, and after the “Beetlejuice” incident, Lauren Boebert is shifting districts for her 2024 run. Her fellow Republicans onstage reminded her of it repeatedly....

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High-fiving each other in front of a cheering audience when asked if they’d been arrested. Party of law and order, everyone. A sprinkle of personal responsibility in there too.

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I’m not arguing the finer points of when going against law and order is good or bad, I’m pointing out that they’re hypocrites to their professed ideals of being lawful

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and a 17th-century textbook, amateur historian David Barton recently argued that Christianity has always formed the basis of American morality and thus is essential to Texas classrooms.

Christians and lying about history, name a more iconic duo

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Fingers crossed this stuff keeps people galvanized to vote cons the fuck out of each branch of government in 2024. My hope is that trump’s term and the Dobbs decision will push the gop to implode. They can’t back away from pandering to far right christians, the older generations are dying off, and hopefully moderate-leaning conservatives will choose to not vote, since I doubt they’ll let themselves vote for democrats.

Though this’d also likely lead to far right extremists ramping up their violence as they feel themselves losing power

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What happened to the riots that were promised if Roe vs. Wade was overturned?

Honestly I’m surprised we didn’t get George floyd/blm levels of protest after Dobbs was official, though a lot of it would’ve been moot since liberals and progressives have spent several decades disarming themselves and fostering a hatred towards guns. Christian nationalists don’t give a single fuck about peaceful protests and if things come to blows, our side is the one with far less firepower and far less zealots willing to risk personal harm for this topic (not saying the second one is good or bad morally, just pointing out that the right’s fostering of that kind of zealotry is an additional hurdle we’ll face).

That is what overturning Roe vs. Wade is about.

I was specifically referring to extra-judicial here. If/as they understand they can’t force their draconian laws on everyone through the normal channels of government, they’ll switch to embracing direct, physical violence as a first resort.

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Guns are not a political tool.

They absolutely are and pretending they’re not is stupid. They’re a last resort, but they’re still a tool that needs to be on the table if worst comes to worse. Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box.

For progressives to abandon every principle they espouse and start using violence as a political tool and direct threat would mean the very last nail in the coffin.

Please, I’m engaging this conversation in good faith so don’t take my words out of context. I am not encouraging the use of violence out of hand and I think you know that. I’m encouraging a healthy respect for a tool of last resort, and a deterrent against things progressing to the point where we want to use that last resort. Armed but peaceful protests often result in less violence from the cops and alt right counter protesting, because at the end of the day they see disarmament as an invitation for violence.

There’s a reason that if you go far enough left, you start to get your guns back. Some people still understand that right wingers and the elite would prefer fascists and genocide to losing control.

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In the 90s boomers weren’t dying off in large amounts, conservative bastions weren’t in overwhelming support of abortion rights when left to the peoples’ vote, and Texas of all places wasn’t turning purple in state-wide elections. Things have absolutely changed from a population standpoint and gop leaders have shown that they’re terrified of the millenial+Z vote, which trends significantly more liberal (and the millenial vote has not shifted conservative with age, as older generations did), now being larger than the boomer vote.

Things are absolutely changing if you pay attention to the data. That being said, it’s still something that only changes over the course of generations, and the gop’s fraternization with Christian nationalists has created a monster that they’re now losing control of. We’re at a phase where things will either start to get better because of right wing ideology losing the numbers game, or right wingers lashing out at their loss of control will lead to them taking over via less democratic means (their capture of the SCOTUS is a more tame example of what they might try).

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No no no this is just a cover to be used when the 5G vaccines activate and start causing mass preborn child deaths. These good god fearing women are part of the silent majority and would never actually want an abortion, this is the deep state’s doing!

Oh and something something Jewish space lasers too

'Try this in a small town. Try it in every town:' new documentary featuring a guaranteed basic income in Cambridge shows the good that comes from giving low-income families a little extra help ( basicincometoday.com )

In Cambridge, and in dozens of places across the country, local governments are giving their unluckiest residents a guaranteed income — payments of between $200 and $1,000 per month to help them pay rent, put food on the table, gas up their cars, get an education, or do whatever elsewill relieve them of some of the impossible...

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What’s sad is that the people this would most benefit are also the most likely to scream about taxation and muh socialism, and vote for people that’d fight this

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Almost half of your list is things dems try to address but get blocked because they don’t have a senate supermajority. Dems are bad enough with the truth, you don’t need to lie about them

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Makes me wonder if he got off because of the specific charges that were levied. Is there not some sort of ‘negligent use of force’ charge that can be used when someone retaliates with unnecessary force?

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Goals don’t have to be comparable.

The Fox GOP debate melted down when the word “climate” was mentioned ( www.motherjones.com )

After the network showed a clip of a young conservative activist saying that climate change was the number one issue for young voters, Fox News moderator Martha MacCallum asked for a show of hands in response to her question, “Do you believe human behavior is causing climate change?”...

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I dislike dems as much as any neoliberal party, but their complete inaction is largely caused by GOP obstruction.

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It’s been a mainstream talking point in conservative circles for a bit that climate change is real, but:

a) Us doing something won’t change anything until China and/or India also start doing something with us
b) If we started doing something, the cost would weaken us economically until China can overtake us and start influencing the world to the west’s detriment

Both of which are wrong, but it doesn’t stop conservatives from believing the talking heads. A lot of people can’t outright deny global warming anymore so they’re just shifting the blame now

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The issue is that if he doesn’t at least make it look like he’s trying, the MAGA crowd will crucify him.

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Not even his supporters today knew if they were going to vote for him back then.

This is completely false, I have no idea where you’re getting this idea. Trump was extremely popular with conservatives in the 2016 election, and conservative voters are famous for toeing the party line even when they don’t like the candidate, so even if they didn’t like him they all knew they’d still be voting for him. There was absolutely no question at all on if his supporters were going to vote for him

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People tend to focus on those who break the law, yes.

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  1. Wanting Trump to face consequences for breaking the law does not mean I think others shouldn’t face consequences for breaking other laws, that’s the dumbest argument I’ve heard in a while. Liberals and those further left regularly say that when democrats break the law, they should be punished. I’ve only seen conservatives bitch and moan when their politicians break the law, like democracy is a team sport.
  2. There’s very likely written and audio correspondence damning Trump in these indictments. We’ll see for sure when the trial starts.
  3. You conflating all sworn testimony with hearsay makes me think you don’t actually know what those words mean.

But sure, Cleetus, we only hate breaking the law when republicans do it. $100% 👌

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Looooot of people are emotionally invested in the idea of karma/people eventually getting what they deserve. It’s really uncomfortable for them to be told that the real world is littered with narcissists and assholes who live a full and fulfilling life, never seeing true consequences for their actions

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