The Fox GOP debate melted down when the word “climate” was mentioned ( www.motherjones.com )

After the network showed a clip of a young conservative activist saying that climate change was the number one issue for young voters, Fox News moderator Martha MacCallum asked for a show of hands in response to her question, “Do you believe human behavior is causing climate change?”

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis refused to participate, and then GOP presidential hopeful Vivek Ramaswamy declared, “I’m the only person on the stage who isn’t bought and paid for, so I can say this: The climate change agenda is a hoax.” A crowd full of Republicans started to boo.

Most of the Republicans on stage fell short of completely denying that climate change is caused by human activity. Ramaswamy, perhaps taking a page out of the Trump playbook of making the most outlandish comment possible, came right out and said it.

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie shot back, “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.” Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley went so far as to venture, “Climate change is real.”

But moderator Bret Baier seized not on Ramaswamy’s blatant denial of the scientific consensus on climate change, but on his claim that he was the only candidate on the stage who was “not bought and paid for.” Baier took turns asking candidates, “Are you bought and paid for?” In classic Fox News fashion, a moment that could have provided insight into how far Republicans are willing to go to please young voters concerned about the environment devolved into senseless crosstalk. Still, for a party that has spent years ignoring or denying the biggest threat to our planet’s future, tonight’s responses were actually, almost, a little bit refreshing.

HowMany ,

If only the debaters would. (melt, that is).

regalia ,

All straight up evil fascist, but the line “I’ve had enough already of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT” was pretty good lmao

Fuckass ,

Does anyone have the link to the local midterm elections in some red state where like 4 conservatives just accuse each other of being in the deep state for 5 minutes during a debate?

Fish , (edited )

Are you talking about the Arizona Republican governor candidate debate?

www.youtube.com/live/zgkoNLPIAc0

Fuckass ,

I love how the woman is answering the question and the other dude just interrupts her and says “your campaign’s a psyop” lmao

qwertyWarlord ,

They don’t believe in anything. They’re vapid narcissists grabbing at power. They will say and do anything for power and approval, that’s what makes them so dangerous. It wasn’t a debate up there, they weren’t debating anything, it was a popularity contest and each and every one of them danced for the crowd in their own way

axont ,

All of these dorks are just auditioning for jobs in the Trump administration. They refuse to say anything bad about Trump even though they’re running in a race against him.

Except none of them will get jobs because Trump thinks they’re all dorks.

UlyssesT ,

Except none of them will get jobs because Trump thinks they’re all dorks.

Stephen Miller is an ultra dork, creepy as he also is.

WIIHAPPYFEW ,
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Chris Christie did, because he still plays by the 2015 edition rulebook

volcel_olive_oil ,
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my “not bought and paid for” t-shirt is generating a lot of questions already answered by my t-shirt

AssortedBiscuits ,
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spoiler to those who were born yesterdayBarring the GOP just straight up blocking Trump from becoming the presidential nominee, Trump is going to become the presidential nominee. If Trump doesn’t become the presidential nominee, the GOP can kiss their chance at the Oval Office goodbye. Either option (Trump becoming the nominee or the GOP forfeiting their chances at getting a Republican president) means the Republican primaries debates are all complete wastes of time. They’re only worth watching if Trump’s there and it’s only because of the dunks.

unconsciousvoidling ,

yea the republican party is an authoritarian movement. there is no debate… there is only trump.

uralsolo ,

I think they do serve a purpose, but not everyone on the stage was aware of what that purpose actually was. The purpose was to audition to be Trump’s new VP pick since he’s definitely not going with Pence again.

BeardedGingerWonder ,

I’m not American, nor a fan of Trump, but holy shit is him not participating in these debates making him look better than the alternatives. Dude literally got arrested for the fourth time in five months, had an insane presidency, suggested shooting up bleach and shining UV lights into people’s lungs as a cure for a virus and somehow still comes across less batshit than those in the debate. Interesting times indeed.

captain_aggravated ,
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That was a genuine thing they used to do in political primaries. They’d get a bunch of low tier party members on the stage to all fuck up and look like clowns to get the audience members going “Okay could the adults show up now please?” And that’s when the actual candidate joins the race.

richietozier4 ,

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie shot back, “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.”

heartbreaking

letsgocrazy ,

This comment was spot on - I listened to an interview with Vivek Ramaswamy and thought he was one of the most insincere bullshiters I’ve heard in a long time. “Chat GPT” nails it.

Parent ,

He made a career convincing investors to buy into his biotech startup. Insincere bullshitting is the name of the game there.

argv_minus_one ,

Yes. Good. Tear your own party apart. Without the Republican menace to worry about, a new progressive party can arise to challenge the Democrats and yank the Overton window back where it belongs.

Anti_Face_Weapon ,

In my own stupid opinion, the GOP is infested by fascist thought to its very core. And yet, they got boo’d for denying climate change. Some change is good, and some change is bad, and I think the conservatives recognizing climate change is a damn good thing.

But it should have happened 20 years ago. We are seriously fucked now. Thanks Mitch.

Cethin ,

You don’t have to lead facts with “in my opinion.”

DragonTypeWyvern ,

The thing is, fascism is a populist ideology. It works best when you can point at someone and say “this thing that concerns you is insert boogeyman’s fault!”

I’m ultimately not as concerned by these hacks as the guy who comes along and actually appeals to someone besides the boomers.

Elderos ,

As I said again and again, trump is simply following the fascist playbook. You have to at least grant it to him, it is virtually the only thing he’s good at. Do you know which other very popular democratically elected leader skipped presidential debates a few years ago? It’s the guy waging war to Ukraine.

letsgocrazy ,

Putin wasn’t eligible to attend any presidential debates.

echodot ,

As a non American, viewing this from the outside. Let me say this.

These guys are ridiculous please don’t vote for them. Not only do they not believe in climate change, which is insane given how much of the planet is currently ablaze, but they don’t even understand what chat GPT is. So they are corrupt and stupid.

What am I saying, they are presidential material.

lagomorphlecture ,

A crowd full of Republicans started to boo.

Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley went so far as to venture, “Climate change is real.”

Is this article from The Onion? Or am I like on candid camera or something? They believe in climate change now and are against it?

Daft_ish ,

Climate change is real but it’s caused by abortions.

victron ,
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Don’t forget those pesky immigrants. Also anything woke!

solidgrue ,
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Well, immigrants tend to be more tan from their exposure to the sun, and as we all know being more tanned is a result of having more melanins per square inch of skin. It’s also established fact that as you stuff more moles of a thing into a fixed space like America that, all other things beibg equal, the temperature goes up.

So really it’s immigration. Why does Biden hate our temperate climate??

Also, dead babies make Baby Jeebis cry dtears of hot rage, and that’s not helping with the hurricanes in the desert.

/s, because some of you don’t recognize satire

Daft_ish ,

Satire or unhinged rant? I’m ok with both.

loutr ,
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Unborn dead babies. Immigrant babies dying at sea is fine by Jesus, apparently.

BubblyMango ,

This comment is the reason lemmy needs an awards system.

letsgocrazy ,

It does. It’s called the upvote button.

We all have one.

People with extra money for shouldn’t get to boost visibility.

BubblyMango ,

All depends on how you implement said system.

I dont actually feel the need for such a system though. It was just a way of complimenting a great comment.

BourneHavoc ,

I feel silly now, I thought climate change was because all the books in libraries about gay and trans frogs.

spectre ,

The narrative changed about 10 years ago to “well it’s happening, but humans can’t do anything about it, it’s a natural process”. No real difference, but it puts a bit more smoke and mirrors up for the rubes who believe that sort of thing since it sounds a bit less wrong.

Interesting that you can tell where someone’s political development kinda “paused” based on this. A dork who thinks climate change isn’t happening is a full 10 years behind their fellow dorks.

beteljuice ,

Here’s their evolution on climate change:

  • it doesn’t exist
  • it does exist, but it’s not caused by man
  • it’s caused by man, but it isn’t a bad thing
  • it is a bad thing, but it’s china’s fault

How many more steps until some responsibility is accepted?

Venus ,
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That’s the fun part, libs never accept responsibility.

beteljuice ,

Oh, “the libs”, yeah, I forgot.

HornyOnMain ,

For context they’re using liberal to mean anyone who’s pro capitalism but not a fascist. Which is pretty dumb imo since like a third of the republican base are committed fascists (regardless of whether they’re open about it or not).

volcel_olive_oil ,
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“responsibility”

they’re just going to keep shooting people until the weather goes away

GarfieldYaoi ,
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It happened here, but it’s the left’s fault for not being cool enough for me to listen to them.

FactuallyUnscrupulou ,
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I think it’s gonna lead to more calling for nationalist sentiment. My chud brothers say shit like, “We need to secure resources for the people that contribute”. They think people walking across borders are polluting more than people flying in planes because, “Elon is trying to fix climate change”

Also once the effects get really bad they can accuse Democrats of trying to make us miserable during the final enjoyable days on Earth. We’ll let you have fun in these final moments while the Democrats will try to enslave you to sift through garbage heaps.

Blackmist ,

It’s the classic Yes, Prime Minister Four-Stage Strategy.

In stage one we say nothing is going to happen.

Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.

In stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there’s nothing we can do.

Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it’s too late now.

keepcarrot ,

(also we were never responsible, buy Enron stock today)

archomrade , (edited )

Edit: Actually, I was just looking into it, I think this claim is unsupported. Looks like climate change will cause a 5-25% less than what it would have been, but that’s as compared to the projected growth of yields due to improved technology and resources. So the picture is a little more muddy but still impactful.

Climate change isn’t really something you can deny anymore if you work in ag, and a lot of small-town conservatives have a close relationship to farming (not trying to stereotype, just speaking to my experience in Iowa). Yields have been declining basically every year for the last 10 or so, with wind, drought, and flooding being the top reasons. Temps in the central US reached the highest since the great depression and the dust bowl. For those people, denying the existence of climate change is basically saying you’ll do nothing to help farmers suffering from decreasing yields. It’s not a harmless “anti-woke” opinion anymore, it’s actively harmful to the material conditions of a lot of republicans.

That’s not to say it isn’t really interesting watching them dance around it. They’ll probably try to say, “yea, it’s real, but there’s no point in cutting back fossil fuels at this point. Here’s more farming subsidies to help with your decreasing yields”, and i’m betting that it will still be very effective for their base.-

adespoton ,

Many Republicans actually believe a lot of stuff that’s true. They just tend to have One Big Issue that only the Republican candidate will support, usually something bigotry related, but for a few it’s HCGW related.

NattyNatty2x4 ,

It’s been a mainstream talking point in conservative circles for a bit that climate change is real, but:

a) Us doing something won’t change anything until China and/or India also start doing something with us
b) If we started doing something, the cost would weaken us economically until China can overtake us and start influencing the world to the west’s detriment

Both of which are wrong, but it doesn’t stop conservatives from believing the talking heads. A lot of people can’t outright deny global warming anymore so they’re just shifting the blame now

eatmyass ,
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I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT

he’s trying so hard

UlyssesT ,

Everyone that disagrees with me is a bot, a bedtime story for liberals.

Rolder ,

“I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT.”

Now that’s a zinger

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