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Corgana , in Make this ‘Star Trek’ motel [room] part of a geeky getaway on the Oregon coast
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I love this!!

AFKBRBChocolate , in I don't think we should be rooting for the Bell Riots but the pin is funny

I didn't know what they were and had to look it up

The Bell Riots were an event that took place in San Francisco on Earth in September 2024. They led to the end of the Sanctuary Districts and marked the real beginning of Humans working to find a lasting solution that would resolve social problems. This would set humanity on the path to founding the United Federation of Planets.

Hey, the date is coming up.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

How can you possibly not remember this? They happened 3 months from now.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I'm old - there's just so much that has and hasn't happened...

hopesdead , in Make this ‘Star Trek’ motel [room] part of a geeky getaway on the Oregon coast
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Did someone just watch Blue Valentine?

ThePantser , in Make this ‘Star Trek’ motel [room] part of a geeky getaway on the Oregon coast
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That guy is no trek fan, he's doing the Vulcan salute wrong. It looks more like the shocker. Two in the pink two in the stink.

ValueSubtracted OP Mod ,
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Vulcans go on romantic getaways, too.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Do you mean because its not straight up? It kind of looks like a mix between devil horns and Vulcan salute.

A_Chilean_Cyborg , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise
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Man I love that series, at least the first, Second and third seasons.

I love the idea of the show, the first enterprise as we know it, with none of the fancy tech and comfort of the other shows, the pioneering scent it has.

But they had to screw it up, the execs put their dirty hands on the show and ruined a lot of it, the first season would be on earth? Nooooo, not generic enough, There will be no transporters? Noooooo, too different, also: sexualize T'pol to the Delta quadrant and back.

And man I hate so much the time wars thing, I suspect the execs also forced it into the show, because I guess? Idk, they killed what could have been a great show.

I would even be glad for some sort of reboot of Enterprise, following a lot more of the original ideas of the show and characters, taking away all the dumb and continuing all the storyline with the Human-Romulan conflict.

Magnetar ,

taking away all the dumb

Oh man, the episode where Archer basically says "Shut up, experienced scientist from centuries long space faring race with your well thought out careful procesures, I'm going down on that planet we discovered five minutes ago because I want to go camping! Also I'm bringing my dog."

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
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yeah that too, archer and the Trip aren't that nice characters, but t'pol (- the sex), Hiroshi Sato and specially doctor phlox are great characters.

hopesdead , in I don't think we should be rooting for the Bell Riots but the pin is funny
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Corgana ,
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Looks like a window sticker but I'll allow it this time.

Snowcano ,

That Janeway sticker is melting my heart! If this isn't added as a default emoji in the new iOS, Tim Cook is going to get a sternly worded letter from me!

optissima , in I don't think we should be rooting for the Bell Riots but the pin is funny

Why not? The bell riots themselves was one of the steps to class consciousness, something we desperately need now. Yeah people were hurt, but how different is that than BLM and other rights protests being mass arrested or openly fired upon these days?

bigfoot OP , (edited )
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That is a very machivellian attitude. I don't believe that hurting people who aren't a threat in the name of "progress" is justified, even if it were somehow a shortcut to utopia, which it's not.

Odinkirk ,
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Nonviolence is an inherently privileged position in the modern context. Besides the fact that the typical pacifist is quite clearly white and middle class, pacifism as an ideology comes from a privileged context. It ignores that violence is already here; that violence is an unavoidable, structurally integral part of the current social hierarchy; and that it is people of color who are most affected by that violence. Pacifism assumes that white people who grew up in the suburbs with all their basic needs met can counsel oppressed people, many of whom are people of color, to suffer patiently under an inconceivably greater violence, until such time as the Great White Father is swayed by the movement’s demands or the pacifists achieve that legendary “critical mass. -- How Nonviolence Serves the State

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

All of human political activity boils down to violence. If pacifism were a legitimate strategy then we wouldn't be in our current situation.

bigfoot OP , (edited )
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I didn't say anything about pacifism, but I also disagree with your proposition equating violence and politics. Violence is a breakdown of politics. Politics, almost definitionally, is how a people settle disputes without violence.

Politics is how how decisions are made in groups. If one person or group is forcing their will upon others, then no decision or compromise between the parties can be said to have been made freely. And therefore it cannot be truthfully described as following a political process.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

Pacifism is an ideology centered on political change through nonviolence. Maybe you didn't explicitly say it, but you might as well have. Can you provide a source on violence being a result of political breakdown and not intrinsic to politics itself? How do current regimes uphold their power?

Politics is, more or less, how decisions are made in groups. Making a decision doesn't preclude violence. Wars are political and their entire point is violence. Colonialism was foundational to the politics of the last 3+ centuries and it was incredibly violent. Besides vibes, what evidence do you have to support the claim that politics aren't violent?

luxyr42 ,

Diplomacy is settling disputes without violence.

bigfoot OP ,
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It is, but diplomacy refers to disputes between peoples. Politics refers to disputes within a people.

optissima ,

I believe that people should defend their right to exist. Do you feel otherwise?

bigfoot OP ,
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I will engage with you in the context of your original proposition but I will not engage with Gish Galloping.

optissima ,

It's only Gish galloping if you edit your original message so they appear disconnected. You'd said all hurting was wrong, and my question was a direct followup to that.

aniki ,

Chickenshit. All rights are won through violence.

fern ,
Odinkirk , in I don't think we should be rooting for the Bell Riots but the pin is funny
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Critical support for the collection of Dims, Ghosts, and Gimmees just trying to make a better life for themselves.

Teal , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise
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It took me a few episodes to like Enterprise and now I really enjoy the series. I really wish it when t a couple of more seasons.

The theme song was off putting to me at first. Once I bonded with the cast and characters it somehow became better and now I let it play for most episodes and even sing along.

echodot ,

I think the reason people don't really like the theme song very much is because it isn't the classic instrumental. All of the other Star Treks have been very obviously Star Trek from the opening few tones. Enterprise isn't like that.

Strange New Worlds got this, even though it was a brand new piece of music just the first few notes, you can tell it's Star Trek without even looking at the screen.

Teal ,
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I get that and felt the same way. When I played the first episode and theme played I was like what the hell is this…lol!

Manabi ,
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Back when Enterprise was airing some fan took the opening footage and added instrumental music to it instead and it was soooooo much better. Worked wonderfully. Really wish I'd saved a copy of it, because I can't find it anymore.

FordBeeblebrox ,

I think it matches with the prequel aspect before Starfleet was really a thing, and it matches up beautifully with the montage of Big E’s evolution. DS9 has the best instrumental but ENT’s intro is great.

HobbitFoot , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise

Enterprise was great when it was allowed to be the prequel it was meant to be. The actors were great. Set and prop design was on point. There were interesting ideas to explore during that time like the Vulcan-Andorian Cold War and the increasing destabilization cause by Romulus.

Cut the Temporal Cold War and the Xindi and Enterprise could have gone on for seven seasons and we might have seen the Earth-Romulus War.

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
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1000%, and cut things like transporters and replicators like the writers had originally envisioned.

Make it more astronaut-y.

btaf45 ,

I don't think they had replicators. They were invented ~50 years after Enterprise.

Manabi ,
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I actually liked the Temporal Cold War stuff and the Xindi arc, but that fourth season was so damn good. I wish we'd gotten at least a couple more seasons like that.

btaf45 ,

but that fourth season was so damn good.

It was the best seaon of any Trek ever IMO.

Mzpip OP , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise

Theme song aside (I don't mind it) the opening credits are the best, most imaginative of all the treks.

mriormro , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise
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Mzpip OP ,

LOL! But whether or not you like the theme song, I maintain that the visuals of the opening credits are the most imaginative of all the treks.

richieadler ,

If not the most imaginative, certainly the most inspiring, and it evokes a strong insertion in our reality.

FordBeeblebrox ,

My grandpa was a reactor monkey on the CVN Enterprise and the primary reason I’m such a huge sci-fi nerd, every time I see Big E in the intro it makes me think of him and hopeful we’ll see NCC-1701 someday.

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
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The song is heavily meh, but the visuals may as well be the best of any intro.

If they composed something more trek-y, it would be the best intro of them all!

Manabi ,
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Back when Enterprise was airing some fan took the opening video and put it to an instrumental instead of the song and it was awesome as hell. Really wish I'd saved a copy of that now.

A_Chilean_Cyborg ,
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I too would wish you have saved a copy of that, now I'm curious as hell SMH.

I found this but i'm guessing it's probably not that one.

here they're swapping themes from the archer one and sounds greeeaaat

Manabi ,
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It was more like this one where they use an instrumental version of the opening theme, but as I recall the music was more along the lines of Voyager's opening theme.

RizzRustbolt , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise

Enterprise, when it wasn't actively sexually harrassing T'pol, was great.

The problem is, the episodes where B&B are using Jolene Blalock as a sounding board for their fetishes are so bad, that it drags down the series as a whole.

MajorasMaskForever ,

They were doing the breast they can 😒

rekabis ,

when it wasn't actively sexually harrassing T'pol

I never understood that need. T’pol was already fiercely exotic, what with her flawless face and remote Vulcan disdain. They could have put her into a spacesuit for the entire series and she would have still been attractive AF purely due to her personality and strength of character. About the only improvement I would have liked to see is more of her character arc being in conflict with her Vulcan upbringing, particularly in trying to deal with those infuriatingly irrational humans, and her emotional entanglement with Trip.

Scirocco ,

I'm not a huge trek nerd, but recently watched the whole series, and the two main irritations were the blatant/unnecessary/annoying/offensive sexualization, and the theme song.

It's easy to skip the opening sequence but the gratuitous fetishizing was pretty awful. The whole series would have been better without.

Manabi ,
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The scenes in the isolation chamber in underwear applying gel to each other were totally unnecessary and unpleasant to watch, especially nowadays. They have aged very poorly.

Repelle ,

They were the reason I stopped watching when it first aired. I’m glad society is catching on.

btaf45 ,

The scenes in the isolation chamber in underwear applying gel to each other were totally unnecessary

I thought so at the time but later realized that was a key scene of the whole entire show. You missed a lot of the nuance. That was where T'pol developed her crush on Trip. Her crush on Trip was the only reason she became the first Vulcan to be able to stay aboard a human ship for longer than a few weeks. And T'pol's presence on the ship advising Archer was what made Archer so successful in laying the groundwork of the entire federation.

southsamurai , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise
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I very much enjoyed enterprise at the time, despite the horrible theme song and the flaws in writing that spotted most episodes.

Now, part of that is being a huge Bakula fan. I love the way he throws himself into roles. I think though, had there been another age actor in the role I still would have enjoyed the show.

It wasn't great Trek. Probably the weakest of the older series, depending on tastes and criteria. Certainly wasn't up to TNG, TOS, or DS 9. I'd put it on par with Voyager, though it was both bad and good in different ways, with the lack of attention being paid to established Vulcan history in Enterprise tipping the scales to it being lesser than Voyager.

But I really liked that they tried to go back to the whole "wagon train in space" vibe. And the cast was great. Can't hold the iffy writing against the cast, and there were some great moments where the actors kept things from being worse just by virtue of how they carried their characters.

I don't rewatch any of the series as a binge though, so my opinion might change when the flaws are showing up in rapid succession compared to the original pace of watching week by week and over time. I know binge watching made me almost hate shows I used to like a good bit (like Bones as an example).

I can't compare anything to the newer shows since I've kinda stopped watching much in the way of "tv" the last few years, so I haven't caught any of the stuff that has been done in the last decade. Could be that one of the new shows would be worse, in comparison to the earlier shows, I dunno. Doesn't help that I despise the reboot movies, and the fact e that they happened kinda soured me on new Trek overall. The folks running things don't seem to be interested in the kind of shows that made me enjoy Trek in the first place, but that's second hand impression from seeing what people say online

Manabi ,
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All of them hold up pretty well when binging them, although I do fairly slow binges, maybe watching 3 - 4 episodes a day at most. There are episodes I dislike and I simply skip those when binging, which helps a lot. (For example DS9 is my favorite Trek but I really, really hate Vedik/Kai Wynn and skip the earlier episodes where she's being an annoying bitch. I do watch the later episodes where she's a lot more important, but I still hate her character so much. For TNG I skip all of season 1 and most of season 2.)

PeteBauxigeg , in Star Trek Is Showing More Love To Scott Bakula’s Enterprise

It's been a long road

cm0002 ,

getting from here to there

Simmy ,

It's been a long time

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