I just want a new series like voyager. Taking place in the future (not prequels), doing something unique, having a cohesive progressive storyline but not necessarily extremely serialized like picard, and with new characters
As soon as you got your first billion, you pretty @uch can’t lose it anymore on the market.
We not talking about billionaires. That’s the whole point. You’re so focused on “class analysis” and fitting into your predefined terms that you can’t even see that the whole point of the discussion is that there’s not a clear delineation between classes, which is precisely why “middle class” is important.
You’ve brought up “human nature” and I refuted your argument
So you admit that you don’t have an accurate definition. That’s a shame.
This is the exact same stupid argument that conservatives use when the answer to “what is a woman” is “it’s complicated”. Some things don’t have neat, concise, 1 sentence definitions
The rest of your post is not really a response to anything I wrote. I have read plenty of history books. And you saying capitalists don’t take investment risk is just baffling tbh
Can you give a coherent definition of middle class? I’-e never come across one that makes sense.
It’s someone for whom money isn’t a daily concern, but is still a resource that can run out. They might have to plan for their yearly vacation, or have to discuss the next car purchase, but wouldn’t have a problem buying things or eating out. If you’re looking for a more specific definition of “makes below $$$” then you’re not going to get it, because that’s not how any of this works.
Since it’s highly incentivised by capitalism to invest your capital, most “upper middle class” people don’t actually have all that money sitting in a bank somewhere. It’s usually invested somewhere which makes them (partial) rent-seekers and extractors of other people’s surplus value.
This is why you people will never actually get anything useful accomplished in society. You’re so intent on fighting against human nature, and playing victim of “exploited surplus labor value” that you simply can’t understand that there IS value in capital investment risk. It’s simply not the case that 1 unit of labor = 1 unit of money.
Owners make passive income with the wealth they already have
And there’s different degrees. More than half the US population own stock. Is someone who makes $200 a year via investments “owning class”? What about $20,000? $2,000,000? You see how there’s vastly different scales? That’s what the definition of middle class is and why it’s important and meaningful
So what’s “possible”? You mean could they take a 1/50th pay cut and survive on like 30k a year from their investments? Possibly. That certainly doesn’t make them “owning class” though
This is a really stupid distinction to take a stand on. There’s no single line where, once you cross, you “no longer need to work”. Someone making high 6 figures a year is clearly not in the same situation as someone who has multiple billions, and they’re clearly not the same situation as someone working minimum wage. That’s exactly why the middle class definition is important and meaningful
