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News: Biden supporters exploit Republican’s $1 donation cashback campaign pledge: ‘I gave $1 to you and $20 to Biden’ ( www.independent.co.uk )

Republican presidential candidate and North Dakota Gov Doug Burgum is offering $20 gift cards to donors who give $1 to his campaign — but some supporters of Joe Biden say they have been funneling the gift card money to the president’s re-election campaign.

JonEFive ,

And with that $1 donation, you will be on every campaign email donation list for the Republicans from now until the end of time. Word to the wise: If you ever give your email address to a campaign fund (republican, democrat or otherwise), make sure its an email you don't care about or can shut down. No matter how many times you unsubscribe, they just sell your list to the next campaign and use a slightly different name/email/organization to get around spam laws. I made the mistake of donating to a campaign once. Their overzealous and borderline illegal email marketing is what has made me decide to never donate again.

While this $20 for $1 might sound good, especially in the humorous context of taking that $20 gift card and donating it to an opponent, I'm not willing to give my info to a republican campaign and assume they're going to do the right thing and only use it for campaign related activities. Next thing you know, my name will be on the next FCC astroturf campaign about how I hate net neutrality.

Vagabond ,

I live in Erie. Please don't pay, just stay the fuck out. I was finally starting to see a decrease in Trump paraphernalia littering the rural parts of the county.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

So left-leaning voters can’t ask for more? It’s by design. At some point the table must be overturned.

The thing to ask for is ranked choice voting.

Why not now?

You answered your own question already:

If he does get on the ballot as a spoiler, I won’t vote for him.

You said it yourself. In the current scenario this version of asking for more only makes the road easier for R.

Look what happened to Bernie.

I registered Democrat after decades of being registered Independent specifically to vote for Bernie in the primaries. I feel he was shafted by the DNC both times, just ever so slightly more subtly the second time.

But I can’t fault those who do.

Nor will I, but if your left leaning values cause you to cast a vote that's only handing power to folks far, far to the right of Biden/Harris based on Biden/Harris not being left enough for you, don't ask me to pretend that's not exceptionally self defeating.

be_excellent_to_each_other , (edited )
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I didn't say maintain the status quo. You have much more chance of changing it by making ranked choice voting your rallying point than you do by voting for a candidate you consider to be left enough for you vs Democrats.

I voted Nader in 2000 because I believed as you do. The result was no different than what voting for this candidate will bring. (And I still get to listen to people blame me for Bush.)

You do you, all I'm saying is don't pretend you are moving the needle. You aren't, or you are moving it in the opposite direction you intend.

Edited to add a d.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I’m advocating supporting a third party candidate to force the Democrats to answer to the left.

I don't really get the mechanism by which you are suggesting this would happen.

All the support for Bernie put no visible pressure on Dems, all the support for Nader didn't either. Jill Stein did nothing but help Republicans when she ran, and now she's helping Cornell West do the same.

Your vote maintains the Status Quo.

Only in that it doesn't push things to the right, which a vote for any third party effectively does in today's environment.

Why would Democrats offer ranked choice voting

I don't claim to have a roadmap to ranked choice voting, but whatever slim chance we have of getting that done at some point is still far more realistic than the idea that voting green is going to have any impact other than putting an R in the whitehouse again.

However much improvement the Dems may need, they aren't actively rolling us backwards. I can't fathom how anyone does that calculus and comes to a different conclusion in 2023, after witnessing 2016 and 2020.

LineNoise ,

There’s no latitude for other choices whilst first past the post voting systems remain.

If you want minor parties in the US then your first priority must be establishing ranked choice voting. Any other approach just hands power to your opponents.

admiralteal ,

Only if both outcomes are equally undesirable.

If they aren't and you don't participate, you are consenting to the outcome. Even if that is the outcome that was less desirable.

Everything you write here is the exact kind of cynical, pessimistic motivation many need to hear... in order to convince them to not participate. To not vote. And the kinds of people you're going to drive away are the ones you need active and participating to further your agenda.

These people who tell you that the Democrats are perfect and great and have no issues that are being invoked don't exist. Pretty much no one thinks that. And I'm sure, push come to shove, you probably do vote strategically because only a true moron wouldn't.

But this position you're out here arguing for isn't one that is going to let politics get pushed left. It's going to push it right. You're achieving the opposite agenda by telling people not to vote strategically.

admiralteal ,

But the choice you're actually getting is gas chamber vs having to buy your own lunch.

Both outcomes undesirable. One of them tolerable. And you're recommending against doing either. And so when the gas chambers people win the election because you refused to vote for anyone who didn't promise you free lunch, yeah, you're complicit. And so much more so because you are advocating for people that want free lunch to stand by and let gas chambers win.

Fundamentally, the insanity you're espousing is the idea that ONLY elections matter. They're the smallest effort you can put towards shaping the world. A tiny piece of being an advocate for change. Use that vote strategically and put the rest of your efforts towards advocacy. Instead of advocating for people to not use their votes. It's genuinely heartbreaking to see someone so obsessed with moral absolutes that they're actually shaming people for trying to make things even a little better.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568 ,
@ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

Daily reminder that /kbin apparently doesn't exist and that the kbin.social in my username is just a hallucination.

Ganondorf ,
@Ganondorf@kbin.social avatar

According to the United States Constitution, Article III, Section 3, “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.”

Furthermore, 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

It's wild to me that according to our laws so many of these "law and order" Republicans should be either executed or behind bars, yet walk free and unscathed.

Col3814444 OP ,

No hate so pure as Christian “love”.

numbscroll ,
@numbscroll@kbin.social avatar

What we all know is these types of bigots are on the outs. Shame the fuck out of them, they don’t do anything positive for your communities. They are wildly thrashing (with seemingly powerful national voices). They will never completely go away but they are reacting to a change in the norms that’s been coming for decades.

House Ethics Committee reaching out to witnesses in revived Matt Gaetz probe ( www.cnn.com )

Investigators from the House Ethics Committee have begun reaching out to witnesses as part of a recently revived investigation into Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, focused on allegations that he may have engaged in sexual misconduct, illicit drug use or other misconduct.

Republicans try to stop military’s electrification with mind-bogglingly dumb proposals ( electrek.co )

Several Republican representatives have proposed amendments to the National Defense Authorization Act to try to stop the Pentagon’s electrification. The proposals sound so mind-bogglingly dumb that they look like they were written by 19th-century Luddites or the fossil fuel industry itself....

DarkGamer OP ,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

That Gosar guy is a dipshit.

As signified by the (R)

Turkey_Titty_city ,

a bullet in the right place also disables a diesel vehicle

effingjoe ,

I think it's the opposite of apathy. Republicans, as a rule, are perfectly fine with corruption and abuse of power that benefits them. From representatives, down to the random voter in Alabama that lives on welfare and complains about socialism. It's less apathy and more some kind of political nihilism.

Your conclusion is still accurate, though. I don't see the whole country banding together to set things right when half of them don't see anything wrong.

Views for Tucker Carlson’s new Twitter show have dropped 86 percent since its launch ( deadstate.org )

His first show brought in over 26 million “video views,” which is a Twitter metric that records a view as anyone who watches a video for more than 2 seconds. While the metric’s reliability has been questioned, it has nevertheless declined significantly since the show’s launch, with Carlson’s most recent show only...

quirzle ,
@quirzle@kbin.social avatar

Tech/programming stuff is exactly why I did nuke mine. Going isn't as meaningful if you leave a bunch of value behind when you do. While I'm here for entertainment now, I'm often spending my reddit time during work hours on vendor-hosted support forums, stackexchange, etc. now.

Gradually, that library will be relocated to other places. Instead of just not going, I think it's better to take away others' reasons for going too, give them reason to seek out better libraries.

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