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original_reader OP ,

I have just placed this here without voicing my opinion. Now I am wondering why there are downvotes. Does this mean you disagree with everything said in that commentary?

If you feel this shouldn’t have been posted here, I agree with the downvote more or less. Even so, why not say as much?

Voicing a personal opinion is usually more valuable than the click of an arrow, especially on an opinion piece. Just saying ⬇️ “No” is saying very little.

That is only my opinion, of course. 🙂

original_reader OP ,

The guy in the video explains what he means.

So I hope no one votes without really knowing what they are voting for.

Anyway, I thought the commentary made an interesting point. I do not agree with all of it, as it seems a bit extreme at times.

What I do agree with is that modern storytelling can be a bit… well, let’s call it inexperienced with life. Whether that’s intentional or not, I can’t say. Discovery is a prime example. Burnham, for example, breaks rule after rule with little or no consequence. On the contrary, everyone still seems to follow her every suggestion. And when they don’t, she goes ahead on her own and the cycle starts all over again. I was so happy to see her demoted a bit in season 4, only to see her become captain the next season.

By that logic, the most stubborn and self-centred people get the most respect. Surely there are parallels to be drawn with today’s rich and famous. Art imitates life, yes, but Star Trek was made to show a higher standard.

Like another poster wrote, I hold modern series to the TNG standard (until something better comes along). That crew tended to behave like mature, well-trained officers. Most of the time (why would Riker sleep with that woman in First Contact???). The conversation between Data and Worf mentioned in the video is an excellent example of professional conflict resolution. No angry storming out, no fighting, no swearing, no hard feelings. I enjoy seeing professionals at work. A team bonded by trust and friendship is what I want to be a part of. A group where I never know whether they hold the same standard as me still tomorrow? Not so much.

original_reader , (edited )

It’s funny how both Pike’s and Uhura’s first word with a totally unknown species is “Hi!”

You’re Starfleet! Come on!

OK… they will have learned this lesson by the 24 century. 😂

Also, why treat the aliens like idiots? Why say: “You made him easier to talk to” instead of “He is now a different species.” This seemed to just have served as a plot point to make Chapel admit her feelings openly.

These minor quibbles aside it felt like an average TNG episode. And for me that means it is a successful episode.

original_reader , (edited )

The part of confessing feelings was really badly done. It seems like no one in the writer’s room had a better idea at that point and then they ran out of time.

original_reader ,

It’s not wrong, but it’s not the best approach. Hi is casual and usually reserved for people that are familiar with each other.

Go to a dignitary and greet with Hi. Chances are it will not be perceived as showing the respect that could - and likely should - be given. In a first contact setting, a formal approach is surely the way to go.

original_reader , (edited )

Doesn’t seem likely. By the time Picard takes over, the Federation has gone to great lengths to get first contact right. I am thinking of TNG episodes like The Big Goodbye, First Contact, Who Watches the Watchers or Darmok as examples.

And to push this further, chronologically before SNW, Enterprise already put some effort into first contact beyond Hi. Cogenitor is just one of many examples.

I will try to resist using the Beyond opening scenes as a reference, because they were just ridiculous.

original_reader ,

I meant TNG. In the time period of TNG, it is the 24th century and they have learned the first contact procedure.

original_reader ,

My last comment was deleted because it wasn’t constructive enough. Let me try to remedy that.

I completely agree that the confession part was not done in a way that fulfilled it’s possible potential. It felt forced and rushed. It was such a prominent plot point that had been built up for a while. IMO it would have been better for her to talk to a friend like Uhura who knew what was going on anyways. This could have made for an intimate character development moment. Like so we had more of an “alien of the week” moment.

original_reader OP ,

Just skip the last episode. Terra Prime, the penultimate episode is the true ending.

The showrunners themselves admitted that the final episode was an insulting ending.

I don’t see myself changing my position on that.

original_reader OP ,

If anyone is annoyed, then they don’t know how to deal with opinions.

original_reader ,

You don’t watch other shows. You start over with Star Trek.

😁

original_reader ,

The Inner Light.

That is the definitive answer.

Followed by Yesterday’s Enterprise, Darmok and so many more.

original_reader ,

I would like the ship to go. Now.

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