An in-depth look at the star crossed lovers we didn't get to see in DS9 including interviews with the cast and crew about why it didn't happen. Includes some details about the origin of slash fic
My problem with interpreting Garak and Bashir as gay is that theres no indication of this outside some after the fact behind the scenes statements and the implication is theyre in the closet and pursuing relationships with women to hide it if this is true, which isnt very progressive.
They’re heterosexual if they exclusively pursue heterosexual relationships and show not an inkling of being anything else. Anything else is just desperate fan-wishing.
I haven’t enjoyed TNG really at all so I slowed down on my journey of watching all of Star Trek in order. However tonight I decided to watch a episode. That episode was The Measure Of A Man. This episode is truly a diamond in the rough in my opinion. This episode is exactly why I fell in love with Star Trek in the first place!...
Easily DS9’s best episode, and it has little to do with the Dominion or Section 31 or even the Prophets/Pah-Wraiths. Runner up to my favorite Trek episode ever, the other one being The Offspring from TNG.
Or watered down VOY. The first two seasons had its gems (Cold Front, Shuttlepod One, Carbon Creek, Minefield, Future Tense, Regeneration are a few) but the series imo didnt get good until its 3rd and 4th seasons, largely due to Coto and Sussman taking over.
I considered bringing this up, but since his apparent conservative politics didn’t seem to impact his Star Trek and Odyssey Five scripts (the only things of his I’ve ever seen), it’s not a problem for me.
Also hanging around Youtube’s and Reddit’s Star Trek communities (such as the now banned r/Star_Trek) has shown me that a lot of Star Trek fans simply don’t get the allegories and messages of Trek, and think liberal biases and allegories are something new in the franchise. It’s really bizarre. Same group of people were convinced The Orville was either apolitical or even conservative until it became aggressively pro LGBTQ in its last season, which pissed them off.
“Not much of a Star Wars fan, but I assume this is David Brin’s critique?”
I remember that critique. Funny because a lot of Youtube leftists now argue Star Wars is left-wing because it has rebels against an empire (because asymmetrical warfare is left-wing apparently? Lol) and because the prequels are about a democracy turning into an empire (An obvious roman imperial allegory, not limited to leftist thought).
Roddenberry nixed it? I’ve heard different tales of that, that it was either Berman or Paramount, but never heard that Roddenberry himself nixed it. I remember reading old quotes that Roddenberry promised a gay character in TNG, but guess he was lying?
I think conservatives in general have trouble understanding what allegories are. For example, some conservative fans of The Orville think its blatantly pro trans episode “Tale of Two Topas” is actually anti-trans because its wrapped in an allegory.
“The writing of the newer Trek series constantly contradicts the idea that the Federation has a moral high ground, let alone is an actually socialist society, or that there is any kind of political, let alone revolutionary ideal in the writing room other than “yass diversity”.”
Yeah I agree. I mean Picard even said that money existed again in the Federation (until I guess they said it didn’t in the third season, very confusing) and PIC/DIS/Lower Decks all say the replicators are crap. Actually DIS even said it is basically forcing Starfleet officers to eat their own recycled shit!
Very well said. I personally prefer TOS-ENT for their more optimistic takes (most of the time) on humanities future than New Trek (I’m not a new Trek hater by any means, I’m just saying what I personally prefer to go back to on re-watches).
Its a pattern in New Trek. PIC said the replicators make food that tastes like shit, then DIS said they are made from shit! I mean to be fair, even DS9 tried at times to weaken the replicator but it didnt go this far. Writers just tend to hate the concept for some reason.
Yes writers wrote weaknesses in the replicators back then, which was a continuity issue even back then, but they didnt go as far as saying it tastes like shit and is made from literal shit.
Just about to finish TNG Season 2, I only watched the odd episode on television in the 90’s and ST: Enterprise is the only complete series I have binged....
Hard choice but the ones I go back to rewatch are Yesterdays Enterprise, Q Who, First Contact (the episode of course :P), Who Watches The Watchers, Ship In A Bottle, The Offspring and All Good Things. But there’s tons of other great episodes I just don’t rewatch as much.
I have a few, my fav is Jessie Gender, who gives insightful reviews but doesnt shy away from criticism of Trek. I also like how she looks at things from a gender critical angle, which is something few peoppe think about. Sean Ferrick is another cool one, as are the guys from Trekyards who are more focussed on tech and ships. Who...
I discovered him as a teenager in the late 2000s, and was surprised to rediscover him recently that he’s still reviewing Star Trek, and other sci-fi shows like The Orville, etc. Love his reviews even if I don’t always agree.
Also apparently he was invited to pitch stories to the Voyager writing crew, but they all sucked so they were not bought.
What other shows to watch for fans of Star Trek?
Hi all, maybe this community can help recommend some new shows. I’m looking for Star Trek-like ‘world-of-the-week’ stuff....
Star Trek's First Gay Ship-Mates? The Star-Crossed Romance of Garak & Bashir ( www.youtube.com )
An in-depth look at the star crossed lovers we didn't get to see in DS9 including interviews with the cast and crew about why it didn't happen. Includes some details about the origin of slash fic
Star Trek TNG Season 2 Episode 9 The Measure Of A Man
I haven’t enjoyed TNG really at all so I slowed down on my journey of watching all of Star Trek in order. However tonight I decided to watch a episode. That episode was The Measure Of A Man. This episode is truly a diamond in the rough in my opinion. This episode is exactly why I fell in love with Star Trek in the first place!...
DS9’s The Visitor is an absolute masterpiece ( lemmy.world )
Originally posted on c/themesshall
Manny Coto Dies: Emmy-Winning ’24’ EP Who Created AI Drama ‘Next’ & Worked On ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’, ‘American Horror Story’ & ‘Dexter’ Was 62 ( deadline.com )
My family lost our minds when Pelia (2X03) described the Federation as a...
spoilermoneyless socialist utopia...
What are your favourite TNG episodes?
Just about to finish TNG Season 2, I only watched the odd episode on television in the 90’s and ST: Enterprise is the only complete series I have binged....
What is everyone's favorite era of starship design?
I’m personally a big fan of the late TMP designs like the Excelsior and Centaur, what do you guys like?
Who are your favorite Trek reviewers/Youtubers?
I have a few, my fav is Jessie Gender, who gives insightful reviews but doesnt shy away from criticism of Trek. I also like how she looks at things from a gender critical angle, which is something few peoppe think about. Sean Ferrick is another cool one, as are the guys from Trekyards who are more focussed on tech and ships. Who...