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the_sisko ,

It’s not cannon but at least they are somewhat officially acknowledging the absolute dumpster fire that was the ENT finale.

the_sisko ,

It was fine. A total of maybe 8 minutes of interesting content. I enjoyed the segment with Tawny Newsome and Eugene Cordero watching silly clips. And the interviews on the street were cute.

Jerry O’Connell did have a slight “blink twice if you need help” vibe going on, but I’m not sure how much of that is me projecting it onto him given that the strikes are going on (but I assume this content was prepared in advance?). And honestly, I couldn’t do half as well “hosting” a show with no guests in front of a green screen!

The segment about Discovery was a bit… https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/c34f6401-9664-4b18-b588-d6a18d175a1c.jpeg

And I’m actually a discovery fan! But wow that Paramount Plus narrator was so proud of their achievements, lol

the_sisko ,

On my first rewatch now and I can say that season one Bashir threw me for a loop because of just how obnoxious he is!! His interactions with any female character, or O’Brien… I guess I forget that the writers had to lay the bedrock of an annoying character in order to cover his later transition into a character we were excited about 🤣

the_sisko ,

It literally changed me

the_sisko ,

Absolutely loved the quote in the video near the end, where the dude said something along the lines of “this isn’t the 90’s with 26 episodes, ‘hey this one can be about a ghost in a lamp’”

So glad the franchise can “officially” acknowledge and make fun of its silliness.

the_sisko ,

I know reviews are pretty mixed, but I enjoyed listening on and off as I watched Voyager! But I will say that their episodes were pretty long winded for my tastes. In particular, while I understand why they had a section describing all the guest actors, writer, and director, they spent a bit too much time on it for my taste. Especially the actors, where they covered each actor’s first role and usually had a bit of a IMDB review. I personally only really care for the stories about the production of each episode, and also their general reception/opinion of each episode is fun since they’re deeply a part of the trek world.

For me, a briefer version would have been a home run. As is, it’s worth a listen, but you should feel free to skip around.

the_sisko OP ,

For your first part, that would make sense, except Nidell isn’t supposed to remember anything about Fenna. I don’t know how Sisko would expect her to think of Fenna as something she’d want to become, since she knew nothing about her. That was what made the line weird to me.

For your second part - agree on both actually! I haven’t seen any particular DS9 specific community in here or elsewhere. Maybe we can be the change we want to see, lol. Maybe a new community or a weekly episode discussion or something.

the_sisko OP ,

Yeah…Star Trek has never been particularly good at one-off romance episodes, and this is certainly one of those.

Yeah, I don’t think that I enjoyed any shoehorned romance with Picard especially…

The episode also has Dax asking O’Brien to boost the top speed of Seyetik’s ship to warp 9.5 to avoid a potential supernova, a prominent example of Star Trek supernovae being apparently able to travel faster than light. So there’s that.

Lol now that you mention it, yes that is quite silly.

I also remember a moment where O’Brien reports that he increased the speed to warp 9.6, and Dax asks “wasn’t the theoretical maximum warp 9.5” and he’s just like “it was.” Top tier O’Brien right there.

the_sisko OP ,

Yeah, that’s probably the best explanation. Or maybe she just knows her deep seated desires, and uses them to imagine how Fenna would be?

the_sisko OP ,

That was a great episode actually, my only complaint was that he didn’t seem to require serious therapy afterwards.

Same with O’Brien’s mental imprisonment episode, though at least they tried to show the psychological damage there. He just managed to get over it at the end of the episode 🫠

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the_sisko ,

I mean with that attitude, we should only have shows set in the 32nd century! After all, time has moved forward, right? ;)

In all seriousness, that argument may have made sense when Enterprise came out, but now there’s four seasons of characters, setting, and story, which could be expanded on as a sequel. “Prequel” depends on your frame of reference.

the_sisko ,

For what it’s worth, ENT is set around 2150, SNW around 2259, TNG starts around 2364, and PIC around 2399. In my mind, ENT is pretty far removed from the SNW/TOS era that you’d say is well covered. There’s a lot of “untouched” canon to discuss, like the Earth Romulan war. So long as temporal wars are forgotten, I’d be excited to see more ENT stuff.

But I also agree that just going forward into the 25th century would be nice too. Ideally for me I’d prefer to see a clean break from the TNG/PIC nostalgia characters: just the next, next generation, with a new captain and crew.

I do like Jeri Ryan’s Seven a lot, and would love a Captain Seven, but there’s something to be said for just starting the new thing and building the next big dynasty of trek, rather than borrowing characters.

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the_sisko ,

If Seven of Nine is the only character from Voyager who is a main character, then it still strikes me as a TNG spin-off, given that the main cast would also include Jack Crusher (Son of Picard) and Sidney LaForge (Daughter of Geordi), and probably some appearances from Beverly Crusher, Diana Troi, Will Riker, etc… As @StillPaisleyCat mentioned, it could turn into the Jack Crusher show, but even without that, Voyager characters would be second class citizens in comparison. I’d love to see Janeway, Paris, Kim, Torres, Tuvok, heck even Neelix (maybe not Chakotay) but they’d be cameos at best. And with 10 episodes a season, we’d be lucky to get more than one or two of those appearances.

the_sisko ,

I mean, I don’t care what the directors think. They can make things for mass appeal, or they can make things for enthusiasts who invest in top-quality TVs with the latest tech every few years, and who invest a lot of time calibrating their TV and putting up the right curtains to block out the sunlight. If they’re making it for enthusiasts, great. But these directors are supposed making things for mass appeal, so they should make TV and movies easily consumable in the ways that average people watch.

I watch for the stories, characters, etc. I honestly don’t care that DS9 will never be remastered, it’s fine the way it is. But I do care when half the bridge is black because Discovery went to black alert, and I guess that means I can’t see anymore :P

.(edit: I actually enjoyed “watching” new trek on my phone with the audio description track on while I was doing dishes. Mostly listening actually.)

the_sisko ,

It’s not as if I watch everything that way. Just when I want to enjoy some star trek and can’t look all the time. Besides, the audio description tracks are meant for the blind to enjoy the show, they’re quite well written and produced. They are also great at surfacing details about the settings or characters which the writers/directors wanted to be noticed, but I wouldn’t have focused on. So they really open up a new and great perspective. And it’s a lot cheaper than buying a new TV every few years so I can see all the newer shades of black lol.

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the_sisko ,

I initially thought OP was pretty contrived, but that you were being a bit harsh by calling it AI generated. But then I read the comments. Lol, it’s terrible.

the_sisko ,

Yeah, having watched in release order (ish) and just recently finished Discovery & Picard, I feel this sentiment in my bones! For sure, I don’t want the actors and writers to have to be worked to the bone churning out 26-episode seasons each year.

But it’s also really frustrating how they insist that every 10 episode season, their characters must save the entire galaxy. There’s no actual space to get to know the characters who aren’t the main ones.

The Dominion war brewed for 3 seasons and then played out over 2 more. I think. That’s a time scale that allows for amazing character development.

the_sisko ,

For some reason “filler” sounds negative to me, but I thought it was excellent filler. Stuffing is my favorite part of Thanksgiving dinner though 😁

the_sisko ,

I just started SNW (like I said, release order ish, I was trying to save best for last). It’s such a breath of fresh air! It’s quite funny that they kept the “previously on” narration, but at least so far, it’s mainly just doing character intros and not explaining the entirety of the season leading up to that point 😂

Fully agreed on Lower Decks!

the_sisko ,

I actually loved Fontaine, but he was the exception for me, otherwise I totally agree with the sentiment. TNG and Voyager really overused them spectacularly, at least for me. At least Enterprise had the sense to take place before holodecks were invented (by the federation at least…)

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