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style99 , to Politics in Nebraska teen Celeste Burgess gets 90 days behind bars for late-term abortion
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This is what happens when you elect Republicans. You aren't a woman anymore. You're property. You can't decide your most intimate health decisions. You're forced to let a man dictate to you, and they aren't remotely reasonable.

Spacebar , to Politics in Nebraska teen Celeste Burgess gets 90 days behind bars for late-term abortion
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Ah yes, an extreme incident focused on by the conservative nypost to distract from and allow conservatives to be ok with taking healthcare and body autonomy from women.

Now you can say, ‘See! Look at Celeste Burgess! We were right to do what we did!’

Kill_joy ,
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Agreed. Everything has to be black or white/right or wrong with right wingers. There is no middle ground. They don't have the brain power to process anything but two-way thoughts and we all suffer for it.

Women are mere decades away from losing the right to vote on the republican path of destruction.

Midnitte , to U.S. News in Google fires 28 employees involved in sit-in protest over $1.2B Israel contract

“Their behavior was unacceptable, extremely disruptive, and made co-workers feel threatened.”

If holding up posters is "defacing property" and you feel "threatened" by a sit in, you might be on the wrong side of history (and/or a Vault-Tec employee).

AllNewTypeFace , to U.S. News in Google fires 28 employees involved in sit-in protest over $1.2B Israel contract
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Does the US still have a Fortune 500-wide hiring blacklist for those who publicly criticise Israeli military operations? If so, they may have a hard time finding other employment.

drwho ,
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I was just about to ask if anybody else had been "advised" through the usual social back channels to not consider hiring anyone on that list. I got a couple of messages last night from folks I used to work for about that.

derbis ,

Why not blow the whistle on that?

DeprecatedCompatV2 ,

Can you elaborate on this? Who maintains the list and how does one end up on it?

drwho ,
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It's not an actual list. There's no GDoc that gets shared around or anything. People talk to people. Folks who used to work together who kept in touch sometimes give each other "a friendly heads-up - that guy at the protest? He's getting fired. Don't hire him." Then e-mails to recruiting addresses get deleted or a resume' gets dumped in the recycling bin, and that's that.

It's the same back channels on LinkedIn and Skype chat groups (yes, they're still a thing) that are used to organize parties at RSA and shit like that.

Templa , to U.S. News in Harvard students scramble to take back support for letter attacking Israel as some CEOs look to blacklist them
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I’d love to know the CEO names

Leafeytea , to U.S. News in Harvard students scramble to take back support for letter attacking Israel as some CEOs look to blacklist them

Maybe they should consider showing support for Sudan instead; though I suspect some of the admins at Harvard could not point out Sudan let alone Darfur on a map if their lives depended on it… they would probably not be as offended since… you know, brown people in Africa don’t wrack up business contracts in the us.

Sorry. Really irritated with some of these stories. My cynicism is getting hard to contain.

steebo_jack , to U.S. News in Harvard students scramble to take back support for letter attacking Israel as some CEOs look to blacklist them

People in China laughing at us...Tiananmen Where?

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  • alyaza Mod ,
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    it also illustrates how fake all the “free speech” guys who insist we need to stick up for Nazi rhetoric are–the moment you say something they think is politically incorrect (and, to be clear, i think some of these letters have said some really dumb shit) it’s immediate blacklists and life-ruining consequences.

    GregorGizeh , to U.S. News in Harvard students scramble to take back support for letter attacking Israel as some CEOs look to blacklist them

    Lmao, rich kids at a rich kid school larping having values and then panicking upon discovering that those have consequences.

    Omegamanthethird ,

    I don’t know why you think their values are fake. I would also panic if it was going to destroy my life. It ain’t worth it.

    millie ,

    Right, but at that point how can you still claim support?

    Israeli apartheid isn’t some hypothetical or imaginary situation, it’s what’s actually happening. Obviously the forces that uphold that apartheid are going to make a stink if anyone they think might be listened to blames the Israeli government for its result. Israel isn’t able to keep up this behavior because it’s weak, but because it’s powerful.

    Bowing and scraping to the corporate elite who vaguely threaten their futures when they’re prompted to put their money where their mouths are shows the reality of their politics. Yes, apartheid might be bad, but it’s not worth pointing out if it means the loss of a hypothetical job that doesn’t exist yet at a pro-apartheid company. That’s their level of support. Nil.

    Everybody’s all enthusiastic when speaking up doesn’t cost anything. Tell me what they’re doing when the chips are down.

    When Israel continues to uphold and even ramp up the kind of policies they have been, they’re going to bring the most violent extremes in the population they’re oppressing to the forefront. The Israeli government may not perpetrating the violence of Hamas with their own hands, but they are every bit as much a part of its coming about as those carrying out these acts. And their retaliation is every bit as gruesome and inhumane, as is the constant ongoing violence perpetrated against Palestinians.

    At any rate, those who excuse genocide while falling all over themselves trying to please their corporate masters show their political priorities pretty plainly.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    Agreed.

    I don’t understand how people can excuse Israel’s systemic violence and condemn Palestinians in the same breath. I guess it’s okay to bomb hospitals as long as you do it with a plane?

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    Honestly, I was kind of surprised to see a comment like this here.

    I would think in a country where mass shootings occur every single day it might be understandable why this kind of doxxing is so alarming.

    GregorGizeh ,

    Shockingly, I am not from the one place on earth where mass shootings are a common occurrence.

    Also, what doxxing? this is a response to an article about Harvard students discovering that employers don’t appreciate employees critical of the system.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    Shockingly, I am not from the one place on earth where mass shootings are a common occurrence.

    Glad to hear it. No joke. Your opinion makes slightly more sense given that added context.

    Also, what doxxing?

    Doxxing is leaking someone’s personal information, usually to paint a target on their back so they suffer some kind of repercussions for a perceived slight. You see, these college kids didn’t just get a threat of blacklisting, the Israeli lobby paid advertising trucks to drive around displaying their pictures and personal contact information. They could very well be killed.

    GregorGizeh ,

    Ah that’s certainly something much different.

    alphapuggle , to U.S. News in Arizona girl Alicia Navarro, missing since 2019, walks into tiny Montana police station and asks cops to take her off missing children list

    She is asking for privacy

    Proceeds to publish an article on her situation

    Dankenstein OP ,

    They say that they wanted people to know that she is safe. Since her disappearance was already made public, it’s possible to maintain privacy by not revealing more details in regards to the actual investigation, the missing person’s listing is also public and would have been taken down anyway.

    MentalEdge , to U.S. News in Arizona girl Alicia Navarro, missing since 2019, walks into tiny Montana police station and asks cops to take her off missing children list
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    It’s possible she was cared for by a genuine good samaritan, illegal though that may be. It’s technically still kidnapping, even if someone underage wants the help to get away from their family.

    snooggums ,
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    I don't think letting someone stay with you voluntarily is kidnapping, and it sounds like this was of her own free will.

    guyrocket ,
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    I hope it is not kidnapping but no good deed goes unpunished, right?

    MentalEdge ,
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    Legally, if you take in a runaway, and don’t make an effort to get them back to their legal gueardian, I think there’s still a case for it to become abduction in court.

    Legally, a child doesn’t have the ability to choose to leave their legal guardian (except through legal child protection channels).

    They can’t just move in with a stranger. When does taking care of a runaway, become hiding them? Morally, there can be good reason to keep them from their family, but the law won’t necessarily recognize that in cases like this, where CPS wasn’t properly involved.

    Thugosaurus_Rex ,

    It’s going to vary by jurisdiction, but generally it’s not kidnapping or abduction. There are often State criminal statutes specifically for harboring a runaway though.

    MentalEdge ,
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    Thanks. I was pretty sure it does end up being a crime in a lot of cases, if not a kidnapping.

    Thugosaurus_Rex ,

    Yeah. I’m not an expert in these jurisdictions, but at a glance it looks like Arizona and Montana have some statutes that could apply. And who knows what other jurisdictions she was in? The article doesn’t say anything and it would be difficult, but showing up 40 miles from the border it’s at least theoretically possible she was in Canada for some of that time.

    Perfide ,

    Exactly why she probably waited till she was 18. Legal adult, she can now publicly acknowledge her safety without being forced back to her parents and/or being forced to divulge information on who they were staying with.

    Xariphon ,

    That would require the law to acknowledge that young people have free will... Which it only does when they commit crimes.

    NovaPrime ,
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    Mens rea and cognitive ability to consent/form intent is a very interesting subject, especially when it comes to minors. Society supersedes its judgement for the judgement of the minor where the minor is deemed not to have the sufficient mental capacity to consent to an action with full understanding of the consequences and context (sometimes only acquired through age or experience). It’s usually also only exercised as a means of protecting the minors (e.g., ability to consent to sexual acts with adults when underage). Criminal acts are slightly different though as it’s generally more about the individuals (minor or otherwise) capacity to form intent to actively harm/deprive/defraud/whatever in the context of what would be normal and reasonable for someone of like experience, knowledge, and circumstance. And even then, minors have a separate legal track in acknowledgement of their inability to fully grasp context and impact (see previous point about consent above) for all but most egregious and grievous acts.

    worfamerryman , to U.S. News in Arizona girl Alicia Navarro, missing since 2019, walks into tiny Montana police station and asks cops to take her off missing children list

    I hope it’s resourcefulness, but it’s hard to imagine a 14 year old making it on her own for such a long time. But who knows, maybe she was doing bug bounties or freelance work and having the payment go through a corporation to get around the age thing. For like $500/year you can incorporate in some places it might even be less.

    QuinceDaPence ,

    You don't even need to go that far. You can make good money with a push mower just mowing a couple lawns each day and (up there) I think you can then snow blow in the winter.

    It is entirely possible to fly under the radar and make enough money to live ok.

    If you're the least bit handy there's all sorts of cash only work that a 14-18 year old doing wouldn't raise any eyebrows, especially if she's been staying near small towns a cash only rent deal for some trailer or shack is also not going to be hard to find.

    jcarax ,

    There are so many traveling kids out there. The types who sell wrapped stones and hemp bags at street festivals, drifting in and out of communal living situations, camps, etc.

    I flirted with all that when I was younger, still think about just taking off in my car sometimes. Ok, a lot of the time. It’s pretty tempting for a lot of us to just say fuck it, and drop out of society and into a counter culture, or a nice intentional community.

    Dankenstein OP ,

    I can relate to this, poor kid must have been going through a lot at only 14.

    jcarax ,

    Hell, I had fairly supportive parents, and I barely held on. But in some sense, I really just prolonged things. Dwelling on the same thing for decades, through changing perspectives.

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  • jcarax ,

    Very well said, some of the best people I’ve met were living on the road. Some very dangerous people, too.

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