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Mishaye , to KDE in So let’s talk about this Wayland thing
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Wayland+Plasma 5.27 feel pretty close to usable, so I’m hopeful that with Plasma 6 I can finally just pick Wayland and stick with it and not have to back to X11.

(With my usage and a NVIDIA card)

n1729 OP ,

If Nate thinks that wayland only on Plasma 6 is the way to go then I feel like we as a user should trust him.

Currently I use AMD hardware and for me KDE + Wayland is fantastic experience. Some crashes here and there, with which I’m fine with.

My brother is running Fedora Kinoite + Wayland with Nvidia and he is total noob when it comes to Linux. He is happy and never complained about his system.

So, I would only assume for normal use case wayland is already in good shape currently. It is only going to get better with plasma 6.

Fedora 40 is still 7 months away.

Bro666 Mod ,
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If Nate thinks that wayland only on Plasma 6 is the way to go then I feel like we as a user should trust him.

Well… that is not what he is saying. X11 will be supported for a long time still. In fact KDE has not even set a deadline for ending support for X11^*^. It will definitely not end with the release of Plasma 6.

The point is that not adapting software to Wayland is a mistake. It may be a pain, but X11 is virtually abandonware. The developers have moved on (to Wayland) and there are no new versions coming out – unless someone forks it, of course, but that would probably be another mistake, as the codebase is an unsustainable mess.

This implies that, yes, when most software projects have got their applications working on Wayland, X11 will be phased out as a platform Plasma works on, but there is no date for that yet.

– ^*^ Other projects are less coy. Fedora is considering removing support X11 from their very soon, maybe in their next releases. This is what sparked the discussion. Not KDE.

DarthSpot , to KDE in So let’s talk about this Wayland thing

I replaced my Nvidia with an AMD graphics card last year. Ever since ive been using Wayland on KDE Plasma without any issue. I have 2 VRR Monitors connected with different refresh rates, which felt clunky on X11 and now feels fluid and just brilliant to use. I don’t use X11 Sessions at all anymore and only have XWayland for stuff that requires it

HKayn , to KDE in This week in KDE: time for the new features
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Love reading these. It’s nice to see floating panels get some continued love

baduhai , to KDE in This week in KDE: time for the new features
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This was a big one, good stuff in there.

1984 , to KDE in This week in KDE: time for the new features
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Lots of nice stuff… Will be fun to try this, but February is far away…

benjamincodes , to KDE in This week in KDE: time for the new features
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@mokazemi combining the overview and desktop grid is fantastic. If it’s anything like how GNOME lays out workspaces, it might just make me switch to kde :)

Andy , to KDE in This week in KDE: time for the new features
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I dream of old features: window tabbing, wallpaper-per desktop, oxygen Qt style, even not-that-old things like Latte dock and Parachute.

But anyway I love Plasma and really need to switch distro to get newer releases so I can even tell if the bugs I experience are still relevant.

flyos , to KDE in This week in KDE: re-organized System Settings
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Great news regarding the reorganisation of System Settings. I am skeptical about the sorting however? Why put “Internet” first and “Appearance” so low? Seems to me the later is often the first thing people look for in Settings (and thus often first, or near the top, in most settings).

Still ,
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well like networking is what I go to settings to see most times, and the appearance is already shortcut on the startup screen

flyos ,
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To each its own, I guess. Granted, this stuff is highly subjective.

Bro666 Mod ,
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Maybe it is a first-run priority thing? You are going to want to get your network configured before tarting up your desktop, right?

flyos ,
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Yes, I see how it would make sense (still seems a bit weird to me, but I can’t really pinpoint the reason, other than a subjective feeling I guess).

WaterSword ,
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It might also just be what people are familiar with on other systems. On iOS, macOS, Android and windows, the wifi settings are usually at the top. So it makes sense for KDE to do the same.

flyos ,
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My impression was that it was more common to have stuff like “Appearance” first, but you seem to tbe right. At least on my Android phone, network is the first item indeed. I guess I’m getting old!

WaterSword ,
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Haha, I guess Wifi just requires you to go into the settings more often than something like appearance, which you usually set, and then rarely come back to.

GammaGames , to KDE in This week in KDE: colorblindness correction filters
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Glad to see more distros supporting the feature!

zoe ,

i hope there was a similar app for it on android. apparently there is already one for ios thou

Strit ,
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In my Android 13 based phone OS, there’s an entry in Settings > Accessibility for color correction. So no need for a separate app.

zoe ,

i guess android 11 is still behind in this regard :/

cause i got complaints before on some of my posts that they aren’t color-blind people friendly, so i had to scramble on how to adress that.

abobla , to KDE in This week in KDE: Plasma 6 Alpha approaches

hehe boy

Rustmilian , to KDE in This week in KDE: Plasma 6 Alpha approaches
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Can’t wait!

OsrsNeedsF2P , to KDE in This week in KDE: Wayland by default, de-framed Breeze, HDR games, rectangle screen recording

The double-click speed setting returns, and now lives on System Settings’ General Behavior page. Before you ask why it’s not on the mouse Page, it’s because it affects touchpads too and that has its own page, and duplicating the setting on both pages seemed messy and ugly

As long as the value is synced, I can’t imagine how it would be bad to have in both pages; especially since that’s where a user would expect to see it.

There’s nothing wrong with multiple ways to find a common setting

2nsfw2furious ,

Absolutely agreed. The equivalent of "Can’t have application shortcuts, you can already find the executables in the file browser* type nonsense IMHO

I would much rather have it in two places where a user would expect it than 1 place a user wouldn’t…

ChristianWS ,

I think the best solution is to have a… Link? To the general setting.

Having duplicated settings across multiple settings page is something that I think is an issue. Cause it isn’t obvious to the user if the setting is actually shared between the two pages or if it has two different options with the same name. It also doubles cognitive load to the user, as if they have a Touchpad and Mouse they need to remember both pages have the same setting.

A link is more of a way for the designers to tell the user “Hey, we know what you are trying to find, but it is in another place”

euphoric_cat , to KDE in This week in KDE: Wayland by default, de-framed Breeze, HDR games, rectangle screen recording
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  • woelkchen ,
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    Maybe it’s not displayed by default. Customizing toolbars should still be possible.

    UnfortunateShort ,

    I would agree with that decision - Dolphin handles tabs very well and if the need ever arises for something like split view, I just hit ctrl + T. Feels more natural to me.

    baduhai ,
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    They didn’t, whoever took the screenshot just doesn’t have that button on their toolbar.

    penquin , to KDE in This week in KDE: Wayland by default, de-framed Breeze, HDR games, rectangle screen recording
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    no more frames within frames! Instead Breeze-themed apps adopt the clean design of modern Kirigami apps, with views separated from one another with single-pixel lines!

    Does this talk about that little blue square that is inside of dolphin where the folders reside?

    carlschwan Mod ,

    Yes but not only. Various other components inherit from QFrame and had by default a frame.

    penquin ,
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    Man, that little square drives me nuts. I never understood why it was there in the first place. lol

    klangcola ,

    I like the blue square, it’s pretty :3 But I’ll learn to live without

    Pantherina , to KDE in This week in KDE: Wayland by default, de-framed Breeze, HDR games, rectangle screen recording

    A huge issue I see is that it feels like Dolphin has memory issues at the moment. I get permanent background crashes for no specific reason (already reported).

    And rewriting apps in Rust is not existent for Qt, as it uses C++ a lot as far as I understood.

    I dont like the design of GTK, even though its more modern in a way, but there are already lots of GTK apps in Rust.

    Somehow I think KDE is a bit doomed here. Its Qt or a complete rewrite which will not happen.

    Do you know more about this? A big part also is that I often hear young Devs dont learn C and C++ anymore, but maybe prefer Rust if any low level language.

    I love KDEs features, and I am very excited for Plasma 6, which will hopefully be a lot more stable and cleaned up!

    YaBoyMax ,

    I’m all for some good old Rust evangelism, but I think it’s a bit of a stretch to claim that KDE is "doomed"in the absence of a migration path to Rust, and it’s not obvious to me that moving to Rust is somehow a necessity for the long-term viability of a project.

    To your point about young devs and C/C++, afaik C is still pretty standard curriculum for CS degrees at most colleges and universities. C++ maybe not so much, but I would argue that it actually has a shallower learning curve than Rust. IMO the STL is a lot easier to get a grasp on as a newer developer than Rust’s borrow checker or lifetime system.

    Knusper ,

    IMO the STL is a lot easier to get a grasp on as a newer developer than Rust’s borrow checker or lifetime system.

    I actually feel like Rust’s borrow checker is more difficult to learn for experienced devs. We’ve got a trainee in Rust and for her, it’s just a normal thing that variable slots hold ownership and can lend it and get it back. She does sometimes still struggle with when to clone and when to borrow, but she’s getting there.

    As for the lifetime system, no one on our team really gets that one. 🙃
    But (that’s because) you rarely need it.

    Rustmilian ,
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