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SpezCanLigmaBalls , to Politics in Majority of American Voters Shrug at Trump Indictment. 53 Percent Want Him Pardoned If Convicted
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There is no way that 53% is correct. Is everyone really that fucking dumb

Hellsadvocate OP ,
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I mean, I tend to bet on the average person's stupidity. So I'd answer yes?

1019throw ,

Dems continuously win the popular vote, which means 0 Republicans would say no to this and some Dems would say yes? I'm not buying that.

Flaky_Fish69 ,
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here's the actual poll

they sampled an incredibly small sample size. It's extremely easy to get fucked up results from assuming that you can make a poll representative of Americans as a whole. Like. where I live... most people in the state want him locked up (or you know. burned at the stake.) But, you go an hour out the cities and even the democrats there would be likely to express some hesitancy. Because it's trump country out there.

and that assumes the poll wasn't meant to get this result (for example polling in ways that get maybe more conservative democrats. or people simply lying and saying they're democrats.)

jeebus , to Politics in Trump Privately Frets He Could Be Headed to Prison
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And the only thing that could stop that is the Democratic party and their incompetence. They think they have this election in the bag, but that is very far from fact. Just like in 2016.

reddig33 , to Politics in Ginni Thomas and Conservative Activists Worked Together to Exploit Citizens United Ruling

Gee, what a surprise.

Mateoto , to Politics in Ginni Thomas and Conservative Activists Worked Together to Exploit Citizens United Ruling

Just explain to me as a European: how can a wife of a supreme court justice actively undermine the democracy in the US, her husband rule in favor of their donors and corrupt money elite, and no one, really no one in your country cares or protests against it?

Please take some lessons in being citoyens by the French people.

Callie ,
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I really really wish we took lessons from France. Politicians should fear backlash, but they’re extremely comfortable

spaceghoti OP ,

I agree. But Thomas, Alito, and the other corrupt jurists on the Supreme Court were appointed by Republicans, so a large portion of the population will shrug and say “eh, no big deal.” If it were Sotomayor or one of the less conservative jurists, those same people would be marching in the streets demanding blood.

American politics resembles nothing so much as a sports match.

Mateoto ,

What exactly does the appointment have to do with the corruption taking place?

A nomination and appointment of judges done by a democratic legitimized party and process is one thing. Still, if those judges are stepping outside the democratic discourse, you can’t shrug it away as “no big deal.”

There are more people voting center and progressive than conservatives in the US. Otherwise, conservatives wouldn’t need gerrymandering and all those other tricks to win elections. So, most US citizens ignore three corrupt justices and their spouses and let them destroy the very foundation of their proud nation?

Protest or organize a nationwide strike and show some real patriotism instead of sticking star-bangled banner stickers on your cars.

spaceghoti OP ,

What exactly does the appointment have to do with the corruption taking place?

That’s how politics has devolved in the US. As long as you’re on the correct side, you can be as corrupt as you want and the people on that side will shrug and go “not a big deal.”

Note, please, that this problem is not the same with all political parties. For example, our House Speaker just announced an inquiry into impeachment proceedings for Joe Biden, apparently for governing while Democrat. The response from the left-wing is generally to roll our eyes and point out this is just political theater. If they actually find something actionable, then we’ll agree that he should be removed from office and thrown in jail. But in 2021 Republican leadership outright admitted that Trump was culpable for the Jan 6 insurrection riot at the capitol, but still refused to impeach because he’s a Republican.

This is how broken American politics have become. We’re trying to maintain our faith in the system and trust our leaders to do the right thing, but an entire faction of our leadership wants to break the government and replace it with private, profit-based solutions. So here we are. We ought to be marching, but the protests against racism and discrimination didn’t get us anywhere either. So we don’t know what else to do and we’re not eager for a second civil war.

LillyPip , (edited )
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US citizens are literally wage slaves, who can be fired for no reason and whose healthcare is tied to employment.

The country is immense with vast distances between major cities, so in order to protest in a meaningful way (ie, not being a scattered handful of picketers in towns hundreds of miles apart that would get no press traction), people need to take weeks off work which would get them fired and take away all their healthcare and retirement options, and drive the equivalent of several EU countries, then hope they have a home and job to return to after. And over a century of unchecked capitalism has locked people into a cycle of perpetual debt such that many are only a paycheque or two away from losing everything.

It’s not an excuse, but a compelling reason that is exploited by bad actors in the government. They know with no safety net and literally everything working against common people, it’s very difficult for protests to gain purchase.

s20 , (edited )

Oh the explanation is… complex. There are a long list of factors involved. I’m going to give you one, as I see it.

Through charisma, lies, corruption, and misdirection, our education system has been destroyed. Anything resembling logic or even basic rational thought is something you have to teach yourself in America. So, we have a massive population of ignorant folks vulnerable to nonsense, including evangelical Christianity.

Evangelical Christianity isn’t actually about saving souls or whatever. It’s about keeping the populace ignorant and looking at bullshit so the “conservative” leadership can rob everyone, lining their pockets and stoking as much fear and division as they can.

That’s one part of why people aren’t in the streets. There are many, many moving parts to what’s fucked in modern America. And personally, I’d rather just say fuck it and leave at this point.

Signed, a U.S. Army combat veteran.

circuitfarmer ,
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We do need to learn how to protest.

One major difference in the US is: many cannot afford to not be at work to instead be protesting. And we don’t have universal healthcare, so if you lose your job, regardless of the wage theft you may also be enduring there, you’re extra fucked if you’re relying on its “benefits”.

A similar argument could be made about voting. You don’t get the day off to go vote, and in some states, voting takes hours.

Blackfeathr , (edited )
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The system is working as intended.

Feature, not a bug, etc…

IronCorgi ,

People did protest, but there's no one to protest to. Supreme court justices are appointed for life, so there is no one to appeal to except the corrupt judge himself. I think people saw protesting the Supreme Court wasn't going to go anywhere and decided to focus on lobbying Congress for a supreme Court ethics statue.

AllonzeeLV , to Politics in GOP Reportedly Trying to Find More Palatable Ways to Say They Oppose Reproductive Freedom

Maybe start by not actively trying to starve the poor kids nobody wanted when they go to school.

newrepublic.com/…/republicans-declare-banning-uni…

Your platform is literally “We want live babies so we can torture them.”

lemmylommy , to Politics in Trump: 'I'm Allowed to Do Whatever I Want' With Classified Info
graves , to Politics in Trump Announces Plans to Finally Go Ahead and Prove Election Was Rigged

“Two more weeks!”

xc2215x , to Politics in Trump’s Plan to Save Himself: Scapegoat His Coup Lawyers - Analysis

Knowing Trump, I am not shocked.

Jaysyn , to Politics in Trump’s Plan to Save Himself: Scapegoat His Coup Lawyers - Analysis
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Other people can decide how sound it was

That's not going to work at all. It was Trump's job to decide that how sound their advice was & for every lawyer encouraging criminality, there were two more telling him that this was illegal.

HandsHurtLoL , to Politics in Trump’s Plan to Save Himself: Scapegoat His Coup Lawyers - Analysis

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Girlparts OP ,
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I put it in the title - Analysis

paulbain , to Politics in Trump Threatens to Appoint ‘Maybe Even Nine’ Supreme Court Justices if Elected

Uhm, liberals, if you a left-wing-extremist echo chamber, then why not just go back to Reddit?? If I have to read this sort of crap every danged day, then I shall simply go back to either ZeroHedge.com or www.Patriots.win.

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