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LostXOR , in Can you get a sunburn from light reflected by a window pane?

According to this Stack Exchange answer, glass reflects around 4-100% of the UV in sunlight depending on the angle of incidence. So you could probably get a sunburn if the angle is low enough (like if the Sun is almost directly overhead and reflecting off a vertical window).

Darkassassin07 , in Can you get a sunburn from light reflected by a window pane?
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In the right conditions; you can melt vehicles with just windows/glass panes.

Sibbo OP ,
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Let's assume the reflection is coming from just one flat glass pane.

Everythingispenguins , in Can you get a sunburn from light reflected by a window pane?

It really depends on the type of glass some glass transmits UV light and some types reflect UV light. And that is not taking into account the pile of other factors that will affect it.

Brkdncr , in Can you get a sunburn from light reflected by a window pane?

You can get a burn from a reflection. There’s a building in Las Vegas that caused this problem due to its windows and angle towards the sun.

There are too many variables to say if you’ll get a burn though.

catloaf ,

Such as how much light is reflected, whether any windows have UV coating, how much exposure you get, and how susceptible you are to burning.

But it's possible.

ch00f , in If life never emerged on Earth, would the continents still be more or less the same today? In other words, does life affect the formation and movement of continents significantly?

The total biomass on Earth is 550 billion tonnes which at some point would have just been CO2, so that's got to count for something.

Skua ,

I'm not sure how much of a difference that would make. That's less than the total cumulative CO2 emissions of China and the US, and it's 1% of 1% of the total mass of the atmosphere

ch00f ,

That’s a good point. My number is all of the current biomass (according to Wikipedia), but all the CO2 we’ve produced since the Industrial Revolution was also originally captured by living things. So add all the gas and coal that ever existed on earth to that number.

TropicalDingdong , in If life never emerged on Earth, would the continents still be more or less the same today? In other words, does life affect the formation and movement of continents significantly?

So a few things that are missing from the current answers. I'm not a geologist, but I have had graduate level paleobotany training, and quite a bit geology coursework. I also worked in paleobotany lab. I do currently do research in biogeochemical cycling, so while I can't speak to the nature of continent or mountain building, but I can speak to how our planet has changed chemically, and that in many ways, life on earth has already fundamentally altered major components of the biogeochemical processes that result in geologic formations. This is not quite what you asked, but I think a geologist with the right training could weigh in on the back to further the conversation.

So the two processes I would speak to are the formation of bituminous coal , and the formation of limestone, both of which are biological in origin.

Coal as a type of sedimentary rock involves the conversion of dead vegetation in wetlands, when vegetation dies and is submerged in an anoxygenic environment. The basic process is that vegetation grows, dies, and is buried in a low oxygen environment, and eventually turns into coal, which has retained most of the C-C bonds that were originally present in the plant tissue (cellulose). So how important is evolution and life to the formation of coal? Well consider that 90% of coal beds were deposited during the Carboniferous and Permian periods, representing only a brief fractions of earths geological history. Why would this be the case? Well, it was during the Carboniferous that plants evolved lignin, a plant molecule that is not only very resilient to decomposition, but is a structural tissue that allows for the building of large, indeterminate plant parts. This resulted in the first "trees", which is to say, tall woody plants that could extend a significant distance above the ground because they now had a strong reinforcement polymer they could integrate with cellulose. So all of a sudden, plant life was like "Fuck yeah, trees upgrade unlocked"!

HOWEVER fungi and bacteria had not yet evolved to degrade lignin. Which meant, for around 160 million years, trees were going gangbusters, but no organism had yet evolved to significantly decompose lignin; this resulted in the wood just kind of piling up, and where you had wetland conditions suitable for coal formation, you got coal. So for around 2% of earths history, we had trees, but we didn't have wood-decomposing fungi. There are other factors at play here like the high oxygen levels from all the plants, and extremely high CO2 levels from ongoing volcanism (I believe the Kamchatka volcanics?), but if not for the evolution of lignin, we would not have coal, and if not for the evolution of wood-decomposing fungus, the formation of coal would not have been curtailed significantly.

I know much less about the formation of limestone, except that there a shit ton more of it than there is coal, but I can speak to it enough to make a few points. Limestone forms mostly in shallow marine environments. Limestone is made from coral and forminfera, basically shell bearing microorganisms. Anything with a shell that lives and then eventually dies in a marine environment can lead to the formation of limestone. Limestone makes up around 25% of the sedimentary rocks on planet earth, which is a shit ton of shells. Its been forming for a very long time.

So a few more considerations. Consider that sedimentary rocks like coal or limestone are much lighter than igneous rocks. Continental crust is like rafts of light rock floating in a sea of heavier oceanic crust. So there is a kind of geological selection process for these lighter rocks to accumulate as continental crust rather than be subducted and then stay subducted. I'm going to stop there because that's too deep into the geology for me to speculate further on. I can speak to the biogeochemical aspects, but I'm not a geologist.

So from a chemical perspective, the contents of the minerals that make up continental crust have ABSOLUTELY been altered by the trajectory of evolution on planet earth. Now if that would fundamentally alter the outlines of the continents or their movements? That's beyond what I know about earth history. What I can say is that evolution has had a direct impact on the chemical composition of the atmosphere, and the makeup of major rock and mineral formations that represent a significant portion of the earths crust.

dumples ,
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I just want to add all of the organic material that makes soil different from sand. Erosion will turn rocks into small rocks which we call sand. It's plants, fungus and animals that make that into soil. They all work together to digest and excrete what makes up soil. Not to mention that it's fungi that dissolve minerals to make them bioavailable to everything else. So there's lots of ways life changed the surface but I don't know about the base continents

cymbal_king ,

Adding all of that coal and limestone trapped a lot of carbon underground. If that carbon was CO2 instead, the Earth would be much hotter. Perhaps hotter than the boiling point of water and thus there would be no ocean between the continents, like Venus.

classic ,

A note of appreciation for such a quality response

mononomi , in If life never emerged on Earth, would the continents still be more or less the same today? In other words, does life affect the formation and movement of continents significantly?

The atmosphere sure changed a lot because of life, which might have had its effects on incoming solar radiation? Which might have changed the temperatures of some ocean currents/continental plates? I don't think it would differ significantly

mononomi ,

Nevermind, a paper looking into if sediments might act as "lubricant" for subducting plates!

givesomefucks , in If life never emerged on Earth, would the continents still be more or less the same today? In other words, does life affect the formation and movement of continents significantly?

Life like animals?

Or plants?

Plant growth 100% changes shit, but as far as would a globe unrecognizable?

No, the general shape would be the same, but coastlines would be a lot different.

CheeseNoodle ,

I think pretty much everything on land would be different: plant induced precipitation, river bank stabilization, carbon sequestration changing the climate and the timing/duration of ice ages and hydrocarbons being ignited by flood volcanism events. All of that would be gone, could even rearrange whole mountain ranges over time by by altering the pressure of glaciers ice on tectonic plates.

givesomefucks ,

Definitely.

The land would look like Mars except with oceans.

But even tidal forces wouldn't substantial change the shape of continents on the globe.

There's not much that effects plate tectonics. What happen would have always happened.

Rocketpoweredgorilla , in If life never emerged on Earth, would the continents still be more or less the same today? In other words, does life affect the formation and movement of continents significantly?
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I'm no earth doctor, but wouldn't it be the other way around? Continental drift would affect the lifeforms abilities to survive and adapt, and that in turn would affect the continents surface features, but not the drifting itself?

BigMikeInAustin , in If life never emerged on Earth, would the continents still be more or less the same today? In other words, does life affect the formation and movement of continents significantly?

Continents as a whole, probably.

I'm not sure how the weight of fossils adds up over the eons, but probably not enough to change things.

I'm not aware of the ice age having changed plate tectonics, and that a lot of weight. Maybe someone knows if it affected volcanoes.

The top shape would be different because of plants holding back erosion and life having changed the chemical makeup of the air.

Ephera , in Does sociology extend to other social animals besides humans?

I'm no expert, but I just scrolled through the Wikipedia article for Eusociality, because I know that's a really interesting topic in the field you describe, and then picked out all the links to scientists:

And well, descriptive words that get mentioned relatively often: entomologist, biologist and sociobiologist.

Sociobiology is almost a competing theory to sociology, though, in that it tries to explain social behavior with evolution.

The Wikipedia article on sociology does say rather strongly that it is about humans.

My best guess is that while e.g. eusociality would offer a broader range to study, I guess, humanity is just not as interested in the specific details, as they are when studying humans. So, that's why sociology for animals is presumably not a field of its own, but rather lumped into entomology/biology.

ALostInquirer OP ,

Thanks for the pointers, I'll have to give'em a look! Eusociality does sound right in line with what I was wondering about, but hadn't heard of it before!

catloaf , in Does sociology extend to other social animals besides humans?

Sociology is not exclusive to humans. Animals are often studied to provide a simpler view of social interactions, and parallels can be drawn to humans.

It's a lot easier to get a study approved with animals than with humans.

Also, yeah, humans are animals too, but I'm not writing out "non-human animals" every time.

givesomefucks , in Does sociology extend to other social animals besides humans?

Whale biologist

vegaquake , in Can someone explain what the various parts of this picture of atoms are?

they are the eyes of all the hot MILFs in your area waiting for you to show your credit card to them

NaibofTabr , (edited ) in Can someone explain what the various parts of this picture of atoms are?

The brighter spots are the nuclei of the Pr, Sc, and O atoms, which are reflecting the electrons of the scanning beams (because they're comparatively much heavier).

The space in between the nuclei is where the electrons from all of the atoms are. Because the atoms are bound as PrScO3, the electrons are shared and not really part of any one particular atom or other.

Technically all of it is "the atoms" because the electrons are part of the structure as much as the protons and neutrons.

This diagram in the article is helpful:

https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.abg2533/asset/4560a9b6-6f2c-40ed-865f-96891ef20c0e/assets/graphic/372_826_f1.jpeg

The drawing in the lower right shows how the atoms are arranged. The double spots are the nuclei of two Pr atoms very close together. The slightly fainter, elongated spots are actually ScO2 that is arranged as O-Sc-O. The fainter single spots are the other O nuclei that fill out the PrScO3 structure.

Glowstick ,

So the spots are the nuclei and not the electron cloud? Wow! This is waaaaay smaller imaging than i was thinking it was!

Successful_Try543 ,

The yellow areas are the 'shades' of the nuclei, but do not reflect their actual size. The lattice constant of the crystal according to the figure is 59 pm = 59 e-12 m, which is the horizontal or vertical distance you see between two of the Pr couples. The actual size of a nucleus would be of order ~ 10 fm = ~ 10 e-15 m.

NaibofTabr , (edited )

So, this image was made with a scanning electron microscope - actually several arranged in a grid somewhat similar to a digital camera sensor. Basically the way this works is that a beam of electrons (kind of like a laser, but electrons instead of photons) is fired at the material being scanned. The electrons bounce off of anything heavier than they are, such as the protons and neutrons in the nucleus (electrons are about 1/2000 of the mass of a proton). Some of the electrons bounce back into the detection grid of the microscope.

So the bright spots are where the electrons bounced off of the nuclei back into the detection grid. You can't really get an image of an electron cloud with an electron microscope because electrons are all the same mass, so if you hit one with another one they both move away in random directions (hitting one billiard ball with another). Comparatively hitting a proton with an electron isn't strong enough to move the proton very much (hitting a house with a billiard ball).

I should also say that this is a simplification because protons, neutrons and electrons don't really exist as physical ball-shaped particles, but as probability waves. Arvin Ash gives the best explanation of this that I've seen.

The upshot of all that is that the bright spots in the image show where the protons and neutrons of the atoms were most likely to be during the scanning (it's really difficult to talk about anything absolute at this scale, everything is probabilistic).

Also yes, this image is a very tiny area, literally a few atoms across. It's very impressive, and it basically amounts to visual proof that what we believe to be true about molecular bonding is true because the picture actually shows what the theory predicts.

calcopiritus ,

This picture shows the influence of the nuclei, not the nuclei themselves. The nuclei are much smaller. If you throw an electron at an atom, the nucleus will change that electron's direction even if it doesn't hit it, just by being close.

Zirconium ,

Bro must've written the article

NaibofTabr ,

Nah, I just read a lot of quantum mechanics stuff because the world we live in is complex and sort of illusory from this point of view and I think it's fascinating. I do recommend the Wikipedia article on the standard model of particle physics and this video by AlphaPhoenix about using a scanning transmission electron microscope.

plandeka , (edited )

That is only sort of true - this image is not made of electrons reflected by the nuclei. These are results from TEM imaging, so Transmission Electron Microscopy. The electron detector is placed behind the sample.

What you are describing is SEM - Scanning Electron Microscopy - in that case, the detector can be placed above the sample, for example (but not limited to) circularly around the beam to measure the backscattered electrons

In TEM the samples are cut into very thin slices (in the picture you posted it is said to be between 0.8nm - 30nm) and the crystal lattice acts as a diffraction grating for the electron beam. The diffraction pattern can be then used to reconstruct the crystal lattice structure.

Psythik ,

Looking at that diagram, it would be really cool if they could use a second beam to generate a 3D image that you could explore in VR.

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