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wagesj45 , in Speak up now: What should our community guidelines be?
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Maybe my threshold for shit is higher than normal, but my hope is that comments won't be removed but will be allowed to be downvoted into oblivion. At least when it comes to what could be considered a "political opinion." Of course there is a subjective line somewhere where a statement crosses from "political" to just "hate." But if a post is political, my hope would be that it gets to stand and be upvoted or downvoted, no matter how shit it might be.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

A bad hot take is different than trolling activity. What I've seen the most of is an ineffective version of the Motte and Bailey fallacy. What I've seen is summarized as:

Troll: Very strong rage bait content/comment
Community user: Reasonably pissed response that this position is horseshit
Troll: Calls for civility even though they originally were like, proposing to genocide trans people, which is inhumane

This isn't a situation to foster. Let this kind of scum in and then they bring friends. Like roaches.

wagesj45 ,
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Sure. There is a subjective line where they cross from "political position that is almost certainly bad and wrong" to "bait". Feel free to remove the bait, leave the bad takes.

What probably matters most is that the rules you establish needs to clearly state that there is a subjective line and that the user's have to accept that fact. There is no clear rule you can write and be objective.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

Yeah, I don't think the goal can ever be pure, emotionless neutrality from a mod team.

The line may be subjective, but I want it to be transparent. Some rules may be arbitrary, but applied consistently and are sourced from the community who wants to live with them.

EffectivelyHidden ,

I pretty strongly disagree with that one for this reason.

When it comes to fascists, white supremacists, and their ilk, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

I'm seeing pretty broad support for not even tolerating even an inch from this camp, so I'm sure this will come out in the moderation rules.

Athena5898 , in Ocasio-Cortez endorses Biden's reelection campaign, sending a strong signal of Democratic unity

Im so fucking tired of "the lesser of two evil" national establishment Democrats shit. Its like they have us held hostage. "Vote for us or get trump. We will fight harder to stay in power then for your rights". Everything they do is the bare minimum at best and then the vote blue no matter who/blue magas expect us to lick Biden's boot for doing the barest of minimum and sometimes not even that (looking at you pipelines etc). I'll vote for him cause like i said, held hostage, but wake me up when people are ready to actually fight for something good and have some imagination for the future for once. Also in before "why cant we get voting numbers up without dealing with gerrymandering/many other things keeping people from voting/milk toast choice shock pikachu face, "i guess everyone is stupid and wants Republicans to win" despite facts and studies dumbassery that happens after every election.

Athena5898 , in Conservative women are embracing extremism under the guise of motherhood

If this is shocking to anyone, i recommend the book "white tears, brown scars". Kyriarchy is a thing and there are a lot of white women who will sell our rights away if they think their spot near the top is secure.

Athena5898 , in Why is the Federal Reserver trying to drive down wages?

Its not rocket science. Ruling class is going to do ruling class shit.

SpaceMonk , in ‘This is a death sentence for me’: Florida Republican women say they will switch parties after DeSantis approves alimony law
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This is literally policy being written out of Ocala and The Villages. Basically every dirtbag Catholic moved there and they run political activism, the white religious super racist kind, out of there and a few other places along the I-10 corridor stretching all the way out to Orange County California. I call it the dumb belt.

fearout , in Nearly a quarter of Republicans say classified docs charges make them more likely to support Trump: poll
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Why tho?

GizmoLion , in Biden cracking down on "junk" health insurance plans
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"Scam insurance plans" But I repeat myself.

Calcharger , in PANIC: Florida takes huge economic hit as conventions reject anti-woke agenda
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And yet AEE is still going to Orlando in October with Al Gore as a keynote.

Drusas ,

Conventions are planned a year+ out. It's entirely possible that they don't want to hold it in Florida but it was too late to switch.

Calcharger ,
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Fair enough

style99 , in DeSantis’ veto of electric cars bill cost taxpayers $277 million, critics say
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It was only a few years ago that DeSantis touted the benefits of electric cars at a news conference announcing the construction of EV charging stations at rest stops along Florida’s Turnpike.

“It’s amazing how much cheaper it is to just charge a vehicle than to fill up a gas tank,” DeSantis said at the time. “And so as technology evolves, we hope that that’ll be reflected in people’s pocketbooks. So we want to make sure we have the infrastructure in place to make that a reality.”

I wonder what changed.

Eskamani said DeSantis also has put personal politics first with culture war laws such as sexual orientation in schools, banning gay-themed books and drag shows, and making it harder for unions to collect dues.

She and other Democrats have pointed out problems such as soaring insurance premiums and a spike in housing costs that go unsolved.

“Not a single part of his agenda that passed is helping Floridians,” she said. “His agenda is tailored to the needs of Republican [primary and caucus voters].”

Oh, I see. Republicans are busy abusing themselves and blaming it on others.

Jaysyn , in Conservative women are embracing extremism under the guise of motherhood
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Their children aren't.

xc2215x , in Marjorie Taylor Greene booted from House Freedom Caucus

A good decision.

0uterzenith , in Has anyone stepped up to take over moderation of this magazine?

very little people wants to dirty their hand moderating a very divisive community like Politics

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

I would be open to it but I only exclusively use mobile and am not in front of a laptop or computer while using kbin.

Grumps ,

This. I could help with some of the obvious trolls (e.g., posts such as, "open your eyes! The leftists are okay with trans genocide!!") but identitying and enforcing fair community rules while trying to be mindful of my own biases would be a lot of work.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

I don't think asking for completely neutral moderators is the goal. But finding folks who at least will open the reports log and lay down the law to prevent the eventual slide into being overrun by trolls.

lomendil ,
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I thought you were joking, but two posts down in my feed I saw the leftist trans genocide post. Yikes.

HandsHurtLoL , in At what point does blatant racism become acceptable and encouraged?

Nothing I say can make you see people of color as worth dignity, so I don't care to expend the energy to try to convince you.

Unhappily_Coerced OP ,

Nothing I say can make you see people of color as worth dignity, so I don't care to expend the energy to try to convince you.

Now you're implying that I'm racist while I'm clearly advocating for anti-racist policies... It's certainly true that the leftys don't get much smarter than this prime example.

Since when is charity dignifying for the recipient?

HandsHurtLoL ,

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Unhappily_Coerced OP ,

I appreciate what little insight you've provided and I hope you are more open to meaningful conversations in the future. Best wishes to you, my friend.

HandsHurtLoL ,

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lowdownfool , in Watch BLM get outwitted by Ben Shapiro. How soon until the libs start going after ethnocentrism?
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Have to laugh at "libs go after". Nice try but libs don't do anything.

Blamemeta , in The CDC is helping states address gun injuries after years of political roadblocks

Glad to see my tax dollars at work redoing the same work at different departments. Real great usage, not redundant at all.

I wonder if they’re just unaware of the FBI, or purposefully ignoring them because they don’t skew the data the way they want.

kuontom OP ,
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Law enforcement doesn't publish (not sure if they even collect) data on non-criminal incidences of gun violence. The CDC is helping states get a holistic understanding of gun-related violence, which is inclusive of any and all gun inflicted injuries that check into hospitals.

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