DebraBucket ,

Pay people during their commutes, they “clock in” as soon as they get into their cars and “clock out” only when they get home.

FlyingSquid ,
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That rewards employees for living as far away from the office as possible. Is that a fair thing to do? I seriously don’t know.

Brainsploosh ,

Not rewards, incentivises, means the employer has a larger labor pool to pick from, which in capitalism is good.

FlyingSquid ,
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But isn’t making commutes longer a bad thing? Especially for the planet? And this is encouraging it.

rivermonster ,

It makes commuting/commuters more expensive, so financially it incentivises remote work–which is objectively a better alternative.

FlyingSquid ,
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I agree remote work is a better alternative. I was just addressing this idea of paying people to commute.

mamotromico ,

Decent public transportation can offset this easily

FlyingSquid ,
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At which point they say, “if we’re paying you to sit on the train, you can do some work while you’re sitting there.”

DoomsdaySprocket ,

Then hey, I can get some of my 8 hrs done on the train and only have to sit in the office for 6 hours! Sounds like a win-win to me.

Brainsploosh ,

Capitalism in general is bad for the planet

loom_in_essence ,

you’re right, let’s scrap offices altogether and wfh 100%

FlyingSquid ,
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Something tells me there might be a middle ground here.

superduperenigma ,

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  • FlyingSquid ,
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    I’m not sure why you’re talking to me like I’m suggesting some sort of crazy thing when I wasn’t even making any suggestions…

    MadgePickles ,
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    Sometimes you just gotta pick someone to reply to the whole conversation going on

    DebraBucket ,

    Does it? You are still working the same hours, it’s just that you are spending some of those hours driving. I suppose if you like driving more than your actual job? On the other hand, it makes your labor more expensive, and thus you are less competitive if other people happen to work closer. Why pay someone 8 hours of pay for 4 hours of work when you can pay someone 8 hours of pay for 8 hours of work, either because they live next door or they work remotely?

    spark947 ,

    Pay people for the commute.

    HortiEastwood ,

    And for the commute time, regular pay

    MadgePickles ,
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    I would honestly rather have the time

    e_t_ Admin ,

    His employees should take him up on that.

    Boozilla ,
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    This is the ONLY thing they listen to. If you want to work from home and your employer doesn’t let you, it’s time to quit.

    I have nothing bad to say about people who prefer going in to the office. I respect your preference and I understand it is necessary for some positions. You are valuable, too, and there’s plenty of places that would love to have you.

    There’s room in this work world for both types of jobs. It’s not an either-or choice.

    Anyone who can WFH and wants to WFH should be allowed to do so, full stop.

    Lamy ,

    I just want to interject that more people could probably be successful small business owners if they wanted to, instead of just getting another job. Small business also usually benefit humans more than corporations.

    derf82 ,

    We need universal healthcare. That is the stopping point for many. People done see how they can guarantee healthcare if they start a business. I really think a huge part of the lobbying against universal healthcare is large businesses knowing it prevents competition.

    Lamy ,

    Can’t you get Obamacare?

    derf82 ,

    It is expensive, and in a lean month for a new business, you might not afford it. Many, especially people with kids or chronic illness can’t take that risk.

    Also, that doesn’t speak to hiring employees. Larger companies offering health insurance puts small businesses at a huge competitive disadvantage.

    Nollij ,

    Go ahead and queue up the shocked Pikachu face when they do. Average is something like 30% of people being told to return to office will instead resign, across all industries.

    YaDong ,
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    Left over a year ago & haven’t looked back!

    BoomBoomLemon ,

    Nobody should listen to billionaire boomer fucks.

    BoomBoomLemon ,

    Nobody should listen to billionaire boomer fucks.

    markr ,

    Jamie Dimon (compensation 34.5 million 2022) says what?

    Hyggyldy ,

    Too many people think rich and in charge = smart and reasonable.

    treefrog ,

    he probably owns office real estate.

    Mdotaut801 ,

    I’m sick of these fucking old white CEO’s being out of touch. People want and need flexibility and go out of their way to find it. I personally prefer going into the office, I’m more productive that way even though my entire team is remote. People just want the option and they want to be treated like the adults that they are. Companies just need to offer it, and if it doesn’t work out for whatever reason or they can’t act like an adult, then get rid of the employee. Not a hard system.

    OutrageousUmpire ,

    “We’re not going to make that decision because we’re pandering to employees”

    Is there such a thing as “pandering to employees”? The employees are doing the real work to keep the company going, while Dimon’s work apparently includes appearing on news stations ridiculing said employees.

    Hopefully the next headline we hear about J.P. Morgan will be a mass voluntary attrition.

    Chatotorix ,
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    This is the state capitalism is currently. Raising morale of the employees is now “pandering”.

    supratachophobia ,

    The reality is that Jaime Dimon is out of touch. On last year’s employee conference call, he was asked about return to office and how WFH has opened up significant flexibility for employees personal lives, specifically, children’s doctors appointments. He responded that your nanny should be taking the kids to your kids doctor’s appointments so you can work at the office.

    rivermonster ,

    LOL, because that company did sooooo badly when everyone was remote for COVID. Boo hoo, my real estate is worthless now that remote work has been proven to have no significant impact on productivity–objectively and empirically

    aaron_griffin ,
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    I bet he said this from an “off-site” and hasn’t been in the office in weeks

    Nioxic ,

    It is july?

    Prime summer holiday month, at least where i live.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Yeah, but he’s not at his summer house, where he could be working from and maybe be less productive. So that’s almost the same thing.

    Jaysyn ,
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    Every billionaire is a policy failure.

    rmuk ,

    I’d rather have a thousand millionaires than one billionaire.

    derf82 ,

    Gee, I wonder how much he and JPMorgan are invested in commercial real estate.

    OwenEverbinde ,
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    … and car manufacturers, and oil companies, and tire companies, and the fast food franchises lining every freeway exit…

    Grimr0c ,
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    Ill give you a hint: JPMC owns one of the largest buildings in the United States, second only to the Pentagon. Their Columbus location is a multi-mile long, 6 story, repurposed Mall. And thats just one of 8 Non-Branch locations they use in Columbus.

    Saneless ,

    I know dozens of people who work there. Most hate it

    Parking is atrocious and you have to walk like 10 minutes from your spot to the building. And then I’m the building another 5 to your office

    Oh and you thought you were leaving at 5? It’s a 30 minute commute just from the parking lot to the first street because of the traffic

    Grimr0c ,
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    Lol. So accurate. The streets to I70 are fucked, then you get on I70 and its backed up all the way to 270. Awful lmao.

    Saneless ,

    Know what’s a good idea? Taking the two most important freeways in the city and having their on and off ramps overlap, and it’s for only 200 feet total. Won’t cause any traffic

    ccunix ,

    Hang on!

    If it was a shopping mall, surely it had really good parking. Why does everyone go to shopping malls instead of town centres? It easy to park!

    They must have actively tried to break it!

    Grimr0c ,
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    It’s mostly due to the sheer amount of people who work in the building. The building holds over 10k employees. Problem is, everyone wants to park near their office space so they dont have to walk a mile or two to get to the other side of the building. So it gets cluttered very quickly around key lots.

    Also, there’s no parking garages. It was a flat lot until a few yesra ago. Now its a flat lot with a second story.

    rmuk ,

    Shopping malls tend to have choke points where the rapidly flowing road traffic transitions to more random car park traffic. Not a problem if a few thousand people are coming and going as they please throughout the day but thousands of people arriving together at 9:00 and leaving together at 17:00… they’re just not designed for that sort of thing.

    Fredsshilksirt ,
    @Fredsshilksirt@kbin.social avatar

    I'm betting he is heavily invested in commercial real estate. Empty buildings means losing money.

    const_void ,

    Almost certainly. Just like the office furniture company that put out this anti-WFH “news article”.

    mrnotoriousman ,

    I should have stopped after reading it was the NYPost. But jfc what a load of massive bullshit

    Gellis12 ,

    Seems to be a common theme among office furniture companies, get a load of this bitch

    Juvyn00b ,

    Jesus Christ - if she would have left the last minute of that out, it could have been very motivational. Instead…yeeeeshhh

    Gellis12 ,

    Yeah, she caught a ton of flak for it online, and then gave a total non-apology that basically boiled down to an officespeak version of “sorry you’re so sensitive”

    Nioxic ,

    A lot of furniture companies sell to other companies, office equipment etc

    Its super expensive(overpriced) and if nobody uses offices anymore they will go out of business.

    Herman miller chairs? I mean, theyre great but not a lot of orivate cotizens buy them.

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