uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m too street illiterate to know of this is going clockwise or counterclockwise. It makes more sense spiraling out.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Study reports that, surprisingly, the inspiraling roundabout rated the same score as the standard roundabout in the United States for their usability and user comprehension metrics. This is mostly due to the remarkably low score of the standard roundabout.

randomaccount43543 OP ,

lol Americans dumb amiright? Can’t use roundabout

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

As a Frenchman now living in the US. Omg people cannot compute roundabouts it’s madness. There’s one at my doctor’s office and every time I go, someone is taking it backwards it’s madness!

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Just buy a big truck and teach em!

Unaware7013 ,

Must just be your area. Where I live we have roundabouts all around (I have to go through 3 of them to get to my closest hardware store) and I don't really see that many people that have issues with them. Worst we have to deal with are cars who are too slow to get into the roundabout and wait forever, or drive slowly and clog up the roundabout, but those are pretty rare thankfully.

icydefiance ,

I’m american and work right next to a roundabout. It gets a pretty low amount of traffic but I still see people stop in the middle or go around backwards all the time.

That said, I see drivers doing the stupidest things pretty much everywhere, so the roundabout isn’t exactly making things worse.

Blackmist ,

We don’t need those hedonistic European roundamacircles.

In my day we just T-boned each other at high speeds, and we enjoyed it!

itsgroundhogdayagain ,

its not like people follow the lanes in a roundabout anyway.

wahming ,

That depends on which country you’re driving in

randomaccount43543 OP ,

Randall in a road trip right now?

Amilo159 ,
@Amilo159@lemmy.world avatar

First time I have to disagree with xkcd. It’s very much not navigable, with exception of turning right.

Going left or back is impossible as you will be facing counterflow and not able to turn in tight spaces.

themeatbridge ,

You can’t go back the wrong way, you have to change lanes or you reach a dead end. No left, only right.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s kinda funny how these comments are proving Randall’s point, that people don’t know to lane-shift in roundabouts.

Dagwood222 ,

If the consumer can’t use the product, it’s a bad product. I’ve had teachers who knew their subject, but couldn’t convey the knowledge; they were bad teachers. If people can’t handle roundabouts, it’s the traffic department’s fault.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s a chicken and egg problem. Roundabouts are well-liked by those used to them, and despised by those who aren’t. A product isn’t bad because it’s an acquired taste, and there’s no solution that doesn’t involve trying it until you get it.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

“despised by those who aren’t” is kinda really fucking funny to me because i cannot think of any country but the USA where roundabouts aren’t bog standard and being angry at one is like being angry at a T-intersection

KittyCat ,

They’re everywhere here in Massachusetts, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen one outside of New England

Dagwood222 ,

My opinion is that most traffic departments in the US rely on outdated rules for placing signs. There’s one I use on a regular basis and unless you’ve been through it a few times it’s almost impossible to figure out when to turn.

themeatbridge ,

Do people despise roundabouts? The only complaints I’ve ever heard are from property owners who don’t want to cede the additional land required. But I’m not an expert on the subject.

wahming ,

That’s like saying modern technology is bad because some tribesman from the amazon can’t figure them out. It’s just lack of education. Countries all over the world use roundabouts with no issues.

And yes, that makes American drivers the clueless tribesman in this analogy.

Dagwood222 ,

No, it’s like saying expecting a tribesman to use a computer is crazy.

I’m American and I’ve used roundabouts. Plenty of them have poorly placed signs that confuse people.

biddy ,

You shouldn’t have to lane shift in roundabouts. On a well designed multi lane roundabout you choose your lane before you get there and simply follow it to the exit. The only reason to change lanes is if you screwed up.

surewhynotlem ,

The lines are dotted. You can cross dotted lines. If you do cross a dotted line, please check your mirrors, or you might run into the point of the comic.

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

i think it should spiral outwards instead, that way if you need to take the third exit, you switch to the third lane and simply follow it to your exit

ThrowawayPermanente ,

Agreed. If you’re in the outside lane you must exit.

eek2121 ,

We have a small traffic circle near us, across from an outdoor restaurant. One day I was eating there and saw this dude start circling it endlessly until the police happened to show up, then he took off.

raubarno ,

It will deadlock in the center because the car lanes are used for two directions. Unless you upgrade those unidirectional lanes into bi-directional pairs of lanes.

And it will still deadlock, so you have to put a round-robin semaphore in the middle.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Simpler solution, just add a bottomless pit or small singularity in the middle to absorb excess traffic.

Uli ,

Sorry I’m late for work, I got sucked into a black hole again. No, I didn’t take a picture of the event horizon, you should just take my word for it. I wouldn’t even be late if it weren’t for the time dilation.

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

An infinite spiral could easily solve these problems.

surewhynotlem ,

No one should reach the center. The lines are dotted. If anyone ends up in the center they deserve a deadlock.

floofloof ,

The center should put you on an out-spiraling bridge that feeds traffic back into the outermost lane. Then even the most indecisive drivers are accommodated. Or just a deep pit of punishment.

Aceticon ,

It doesn’t really solve the problem of having a road junction - that’s still in the center and cars even come at worse angles than before- it just adds fluff around it.

On the other hand, it would probably turn into a tourist attraction and unique experience.

smollittlefrog ,

There’s also simply no way of getting out once you’re inside. It doesn’t work even if it was used by just one car.

You’d have to drive the wrong way in a one-way street.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

The joke is that you have to lane-shift to get out, the way you have to in most large roundabouts already.

Something people not used to roundabouts seem afraid to do, hence this is a design that “doesn’t coddle them” because if they don’t lane-shift, they end up in the middle.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

You’re not supposed to ever get to the middle. It’s “technically navigable” because you can lane-shift your way out.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

Who needs lane markings anyway :-)

Chariotwheel ,

When Junji Ito is your traffic planner

shotgun_crab ,

Uzumaki ruined spirals forever (or made them better, depending on who you ask)

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

this is my lane, it was made for me!

Chariotwheel ,
  • BMW drivers to the whole street
IonAddis ,
@IonAddis@lemmy.world avatar

For some reason I’m just looking at this, and thinking of far-future people digging up ANY roads with lines or on/off ramps or cloverleafs, scratching their heads, and going:

“It must’ve been used for religious purposes.”

NeoNachtwaechter ,

“It must’ve been used for religious purposes.”

Hehehe…

Regarding the question whether future humans are going to be wiser than we are, I see 4 possiblities:

  1. They are wiser
  2. They are less wise
  3. They are exactly the same (most likely)
  4. They don’t care
Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

i mean wisdom is something you gain from experience so presumably later generations are always going to be wiser provided they study the past, that’s kinda how we got to where we are

schnurrito ,

Human nature does not change very much over time. When I was younger I thought the future was going to be awesome because then, people like me would be in power. Now there are many politicians, celebrities, activists, journalists, other people more powerful than me who are the same age as me or even younger; they are pretty much the same as the ones who are older than me.

droans ,

Wanna really confuse them?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3b16fee8-ede6-4628-a35c-d38dae2cb1a8.png

urist ,
@urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Carmel

This explains the entire image

randomaccount43543 OP ,

explainxkcd.com/2842

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