I asked this question sometime ago on The Orville’s subreddit, and surprisingly got mixed responses. I assume most here however, are going to prefer Star Trek, specifically TNG that its aping from. For the record I do prefer TNG as well, but rewatching The Orville, after you get past its kinda sucky first season, I really...
I was really disappointed with the most recent series of Orville. I feel they moved from social commentary to being preachy and smug.
The biggest example of this is the time travel episode in season 3. You have someone who has established a life and has kids and real character growth, who wants to be able to live the life they established after being abandoned for 20 years. On the other hand you have Seth McFarland saying that it’s bad. There isn’t any real discussion of what right is, it’s just McFarland saying that he’s right and then circumventing any resistance. It ends with McFarland being smug he did the right thing and having no self reflection on the damage he did.
To be clear, I’m all about social commentary in my sci-fi but I feel like anything interesting is diluted to make it a closer parallel to earth. The Moclans went from a unique all male species, to having a rare minority that allowed for discussion of trans rights, to in season 3 being 50-50 split and a tired gender war trope.
I think the Orville has gotten lazy and moved further and further away from having interesting plots to talk about big ideas and moved more towards character driven drama and lazy hamfisted commentary.
There are inspiring, epic quotes in Star Trek. Words that stir the soul, shining a light on paths to a brighter now and a better future. But, what about those bits of dialog that don’t have a stirring message, that you enjoy just because you enjoy them?...
Let’s look at DISCO. Users put it at 37%. That’s about as bad as “Cop Out,” “Howard the duck”, “the adventures of sharkboy and lavagirl” and something called “four kids and it.”
I’m not a fan of DISCO, it takes itself too seriously, solves most problems with violence, has no chemistry between crew members and refuses to spend time developing most characters. That being said, it sure as heck is a lot better than “Howard the duck”.
Let’s look at a couple audience reviews to see where the hate is coming from (actual quotes from IMDB user reviews)- “Should have been called Star Woke” “Too busy being woke” “If a character is a straight white man they are evil”
Oh no. It’s bigotry.
User reviews have become bombarded by conservatives pushing an agenda. An agenda that says that any representation is harmful and offensive. It’s impossible to gain real insight on user experiences through online polls because of a loud minority crying about seeing a black/queer/Asian/trans/educated/disabled person.
It makes it hard to criticize shows due to the “anti-woke” offering you a robe when you say something bad about a show with a woman.
Star Trek and The Orville, which is better/worse?
I asked this question sometime ago on The Orville’s subreddit, and surprisingly got mixed responses. I assume most here however, are going to prefer Star Trek, specifically TNG that its aping from. For the record I do prefer TNG as well, but rewatching The Orville, after you get past its kinda sucky first season, I really...
Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x01 "Twovix" and 4x02 "I Have No Bones Yet I Must Flee"
"Twovix" loglineThe Cerritos ensigns must assist a caretaker on the voyage of a historically significant starship....
What's Your Favorite, Not at All Epic, Star Trek Quote
There are inspiring, epic quotes in Star Trek. Words that stir the soul, shining a light on paths to a brighter now and a better future. But, what about those bits of dialog that don’t have a stirring message, that you enjoy just because you enjoy them?...
The Star Trek Series Ranked by Fans ( i.imgur.com )
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