I do agree with you, had no idea people disliked Voyager whe. I first watched it, and I overall enjoyed it very much. Yeah, the show has a bunch of out there episodes, but they tried new things and all great star trek shows have their good share of wacky episodes.
It’s not even like it doesn’t have good criticism points, Kes character was very mishandled and her relationship with Neelix was terrible, he becomes a 1000% more likable once she’s gone, and Chakotay whole botched native American heritage disaster… (Which granted, they tried, they just sucked at finding a specialist)
And Tuvix is one of the topics that guarantees a philosophical discussion in any star trek group I’m in without fail. I pretty firmly hate Tuvix, but that’s power.
In my view, having rewatched Voyager again decades after first run, the show not only took successful risks in several episodes like the Demon duology or The Thaw, it has some ‘best ever’ episodes for employing some classic Star Trek tropes.
At the time, I suspect some fans focused on the ‘not new idea’ more than ‘did it better than’ but at this point it’s fairly clear.
For fans who came to Voyager first (including our kids), the original TOS and TNG episodes that Voyager built upon just seem weak by comparison.
More, when SNW does something similar, people are viewing these kind of episodes from the perspective of how well done within a type rather than criticizing them for reworking a trope.
With Threshold I always was mildly impressed with how they made a point that evolution doesn’t necessarily mean that a species will become super advanced somehow. That they evolved “in-place” instead of over generations is still a pretty bonkers misunderstanding of evolution that they always fall for, but I guess watching them turn into lizards over the next several decades probably wouldn’t make the best TV lol
I initially agreed with you. I’d hate to see all of that communal knowledge lost.
Reading the other replies, I am not so sure. Do they deserve to continue capitalizing on other peoples knowledge? Yes and No. They did supply a service without which that collection would have had to be assembled somewhere else. But I don’t think they should be able to capitalize on it forever.
With the archive team and their efforts, I am less worried about “Wisdom of the Ancients” situation.
I just hope the archives will be easily accessible and searchable, preferably without having to specifically leave the search engine to search them, otherwise the knowledge will still, in practice for most people, be inaccessible.
So, I have a story about Star Trek the Animated Series.
My friends and I used to watch it in college, but it was a drinking game. We watched it in Spanish, with no subtitles (and none of us speak Spanish). And there were certain things they said every episode, and everybody drinks when they say it.
Oh man I this is such a great post to realize that Lemmy/Kbin allows you to see the exact number of both upvotes and downvotes on a post and not just a fuzzy aggregate score. I missed that.
Well done, that’s quite a commitment. I watched a lot of trek as it aired, but I’ve still not quite seen all of TOS or ENT - and I’ve skipped out on the Kelvin films after 2009.
The most surprising one I think has been Prodigy; I didn’t expect it to be as compelling as it ended up being.
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