kbin.social

Chozo , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?

Does anybody happen to have contact with Ernest outside of Kbin? It's a little concerning that his last update over a month ago was that he was going in for a medical procedure and that he'd only be gone for a few days. I hope he's doing alright.

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Kierunkowy74 , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
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You can still use /kbin via another instance: there is kbin.earth by the developer of Interstellar app.

stopthatgirl7 ,
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Is there a list anywhere of different kbin instances? I don’t want to give up on kbin, but I might have to give up on social.

Kierunkowy74 ,
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Technically it would be this

karab.in and bin.pol.social are Polish,
kbin.cafe has been abandonned with many instances have already blocked it,
wiku.hu is (Hungarian) silo.

Seraph OP ,

Yeesh. I wish there were better options in that list.

Norgur , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?

any migration tools from kbin to mbin?

Kierunkowy74 ,
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sheepishly , to /kbin in where are kbin admins?
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Man, that sucks. I was just getting comfy here.

speck , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?

What's the difference between mbin and fedia?

Seraph OP ,

Mbin is a software "fork". Meaning they took a snapshot of Kbin code and made their own improvements from then on.

Fedia is an instance, or a federated portal, and one of the ways you can use Mbin code. This is the largest Mbin instance - it has the most users.

speck ,

Great clarification, thank you!

FfaerieOxide , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
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is it time to move?

While Kbin is here I am here. I don't think Kbin is dead at all.

s0ckpuppet ,

The sole maintainer of the project has been totally MIA for a month and the site has gone down or partially not worked repeatedly for months now. Now we've got issues with post federating on time and spam bots. It's not sustainable like this. I really appreciate what Ernest has done and am a big fan of Kbin, but he's clearly spread too thin and apparently wont allow people to help him.

FfaerieOxide ,
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the site has gone down or partially not worked repeatedly for months now.

Oh please. This site never worked without a hitch. Come on over and have some fun in Taking Covid Seriously or Fagville if-and-when a page refreshes.

FaceDeer ,
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This site never worked without a hitch.

That is not a ringing endorsement.

I was very enthusiastic about kbin when it launched, I donated a fair bit to Ernest in those early heady days. But if he's refusing to accept help from other devs and admins I don't think it's sustainable, something like this just can't work as a one-man show. I wish him all the best but if that doesn't change I don't see this working in the long run.

FfaerieOxide ,
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That is not a ringing endorsement.

The site is just as good as it was when it was good enough for me to start using it and hasn't gotten worse.

I have posted endorsements which ring better elsewhere.

FaceDeer ,
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It has been getting worse for me. In addition to the sporadic outages, the spam, and the slow federation, I've had to develop the habit of refreshing the page before I try to respond to or vote on any comments. If I open the page and let it sit for a few minutes before trying I invariably get an error. It definitely didn't used to be that way.

If it was that bad for you from the outset I'm surprised you stuck around. I wouldn't've. I've only held on because I started to feel "settled".

s0ckpuppet ,

Yep I get that comment/post error pretty frequently as well

s0ckpuppet , (edited )

I get where you're coming from, but don't really agree that because it's been bad it's fine that it continues to be bad or even worse when these are solvable problems. The issue with recent posts federating in a timely fashion is pretty concerning for one.

But even if I did agree with you about the site errors, the huge gaps in any communication are a big issue. It'd be great to know what's going on. And not being able to get an account deletion honored is frankly unacceptable. I've had one pending for close to a month. And having the entire project tied up with one person who just disappears without warning is also a big problem. Administering this instance all by one's self is already impractical. But doing that and also single-handedly running a software project of this complexity and magnitude on top of that is really hard to rationalize.

Anybody remember what happened Artemis? All that effort and community support poured into an app with a single dev holding the whole thing together and poof. She's gone and the app is no more. I still don't think anybody's heard from her since.

Huge props to him for what he's achieved, but Ernest needs to accept help. It's that simple.

roadkill ,

KBin also does not honor account deletion requests.

s0ckpuppet ,

Yep I decided to switch accounts to this username from another one I had been using that is kinda attached to my freelance business. I felt like it wasn't the wisest move to get into occasional debates with strangers like that. Some people just lose their mind if you disagree with them online.

So I requested deletion close to a month ago and it still hasn't gone through. Will it ever? Who knows

roadkill ,

Mine was over 6 months ago.

s0ckpuppet ,

holy shit that's bad

sab ,
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I appreciate kbin a lot and I hope Ernest will get back to development when he's ready, but I don't think it makes sense for him also to be responsible for administrating a major instance. That's a huge job.

I'm not entirely sure where I'd move to yet, but if kbin.social is not properly moderated it makes sense to go elsewhere. At some point other instances might have no choice but to defederate.

That's different from giving up on the software - I do still appreciate Kbin a lot. :)

FfaerieOxide ,
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I see alot of people complaining about this or that on the site, but not interacting with what people who are posting are still posting. Not posting anything of their own save complains about the site being as fucked ever it was or instigating jumping ship.

Honestly it's hard to tell what people want at times.

sab ,
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I guess the beautiful thing of being federated is that the content is separate from the software. If people enjoy the software but find kbin.social to be too unstable, they might very well jump ship to https://fedia.io/ or something (or even start their own instance), and we will still get to enjoy their content. :)

I don't have much patience for people complaining about how their instances are being run considering how easy it is to move somewhere else. Discussions and constructive criticism is of course a different matter, but the beauty of the fediverse as far as I'm concerned is that you can take the "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" attitude to the extreme without really being a jerk. :)

dragonist , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
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I’ve been feeling it too, and have been on the fence about jumping ship. My block list is growing so fast it’s just a touch obscene. So many pill pushers junk websites and… random and science are hit so hard it’s frustrating.

Doll_Tow_Jet-ski , to /kbin in where are kbin admins?

I think it's the niche communities that are more actively moderated, while the large ones (the ones that were big on Reddit and were taken in the early day of the migration by users who saw an opportunity to mod a big community) were abandoned to their luck)

celeste , to /kbin in where are kbin admins?
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haven't seen the admin since he had a medical procedure done a month ago

vudu ,

I've sent requests for taking over dead communities including a private message and haven't heard anything. I'm concerned that the project will stagnate and, with it, the community.

theinspectorst ,
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I put in a request to take over a magazine last year when its previous moderator disappeared, and ernest actioned it pretty quickly. It looks like he hasn't posted for a month or so now though - hope he's doing okay. Running this thing must be a hell of a weight to carry.

wjrii , (edited )
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I hate to say it, because I've been really pleased with kbin for the most part. I've liked being able to dip my toes into the Mastodon side without yet another account; I like the interface; and my interactions with Ernest have been nothing but pleasant. I certainly hope all is well with him personally. But whether it's legitimate medical issues or undisclosed burnout, the instance and platform are struggling.

The good thing is that everything has been federating and most of us have been interacting with Lemmy and mbin users daily anyway; it's "just" a loss of fake internet points and comment history to move. I'm trying to put that off, but the mobile site/pwa is only okay, API rollout has stalled (meaning app development has stalled as well), admin activities can't happen with Ernest, and technical issues with the instance are becoming more common.

I think the Reddit API mini-exodus last year hit at that exact "sweet" spot, in terms of numbers and point in kbin development, where one dev/admin could almost keep up with it, but not quite. Suddenly this thing he was noodling with to combine Lemmy and Mastodon has thousands of people wanting it to be production ready. I don't begrudge him anything even if it is just burnout, but if that is the case then maybe it's time to bless mbin as a successor and start migrating people off kbin.social or find someone else to admin it and ugrade it to mbin. Ernest has built up a ton of goodwill; if he's done, then he's done (and of course, if he's ill then he's ill). Who among us could stand up a minimum viable product of a reddit clone and admin two instances? Not me, that's for sure.

Edit: I checked, and Ernest's Polish-language instance karab.in is completely down right now.

We have all been very lucky that these open source projects are there as an alternative, and there are ways Ernest can step back if being the sole PM of a sprawling social network project isn't good for him. I just don't want it to happen in a way where people are left with a bad taste in their mouths for the Fediverse or him personally.

SharkAttak ,
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I agree completely with you about the state of kbin and what it means for Ernest: if it's become too much for him, or he has medical issues, just ask for help.
That said, I don't know what to say about switching to mbin: I don't know what caused the split, and honestly the 2-3 threads by some noisy bozos going "KAY GUYS KBIN'S DEAD, YOU'RE ALL INVITED ON MBIN" don't exactly make me wanna rush there.

tjhart85 ,
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The initial split largely seemed to be that people were submitting code fixes and Ernest wasn't accepting them or updating /KBin fast enough for them. The lack of API that was already done and approved by Ernest and ready to go (that to my knowledge still hasn't been implemented on KBin!) seemed to have been the last straw that got them traction.

Ernest doesn't want to band aid fixes, he wants to fix the underlying problems and eliminate the "tech debt" he's already accumulated rather than letting it continue to pile on to the point that fixing anything becomes unmanageable due to all the band aids. This is GOOD, but it means everything will be much slower. MBin is just pedal to the metal and literally accepting any bit of code at all, which also isn't really sustainable for a product that people want to use.

At this point, I dunno though, Ernest has been gone for a month and the site has been super slow and blips up and down all the time. I REALLY hope he's ok, but I'm not sure of the long term viability of /KBin anymore and am wondering what if the next blip just doesn't get resolved???

I agree on the MBin bros thing, 100%. Their attitude has really made me not want to even consider their project at all. I don't like the tankie devs on the Lemmy side of things, but, at the same time don't really think that matters all that much. If they do something bad, people can break off and spin off like MBin did.

To me, ideal world, enough people donate that Ernest can pay himself to work on it full time and maybe hire an extra FT dev (Nabu Casa hires like 30 devs to work on Home Assistant without taking in any VC debt or 3rd party money, so, it's at least feasible, but they built up 5ish years of goodwill before they spun up Nabu Casa and people were still initially skeptical), but that's not going to be possible if he disappears constantly so it's a catch-22.

Seriously though, I really hope he's ok and this hasn't been because something happened to him. It's really ominous that his last communication indicated he had surgery coming up and then complete radio silence

Facni , (edited )

It wouldn't be impossible to find a middle ground between pushing the pedal to the metal and solving the underlying problems, Mbin has more active maintainers and people who collaborate with pull requests. Considering that, Ernest and the Mbin team/community could work together. We all want the same thing, a quality Kbin working.

SharkAttak , (edited )
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Thanks for the explanation :)
Recent news told us that Ernest is alive and kinda well, so that's a relief; still, the question remains that he probably get help, as developing and adminning could be too much to handle.
Also, like u/Facni also said, there could be a middle ground between the fast&furious of Mbin and the slow&steady of Kbin, and everyone would benefit from it.

wjrii ,
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I just took the path of least resistance for my alt and parked it on lemmy.world. We'll see how all this plays out.

Sabata11792 ,
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I kinda just want to know the guys alive. The last post mentioning a medical procedure before disappearing entirely is concerning.

Hypx , to /kbin in where are kbin admins?
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Ernest has not been seen in a while. So no, there's basically no admin currently available.

50gp OP ,

surely there is more than one admin who can moderate the instance?

Blackout ,
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I have to admit I have been moving over to mbin. It's the same layout and hot algo but with bug fixes. I submitted an issue and they had it fixed within a few days.

wjrii ,
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kbin.social in particular only has the one admin. I keep an eye on the two ghost-town mags that I mod so they don't become spam vectors, but there's only so much we can do without an admin/dev.

FfaerieOxide ,
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surely there is more than one admin who can moderate the instance?

From what I understand Ernest is slow to trust and doesn't like sharing responsibility.

stopthatgirl7 ,
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It’s really frustrating because kbin has gotten too big to still basically be a one-man operation. Unless he lets other people take over some things, the wheels are gonna fall off sooner rather than later.

LZamperini , to /kbin in where are kbin admins?

off topic: is kbin dead today? not getting any new threads. bout to start looking for a more supported lemmy instance i guess.

e0qdk ,
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Federation is way behind -- like 5~6 hours behind, I think.

Seraph ,

Someone said mbin above so I found this instance: https://fedia.io/

Is this where we have to go now?

I kinda feel bad as Ernest did well in a tough situation, but this clearly needs to be handled by a larger team now.

speck ,

Took a look at it. How do you get image previews to be full sized on mobile?

And what's the story behind this instance? Like, vs kbin or mbin

roguetrick , (edited )

It's increasing. It's up to about 12 hours. I've officially migrated off of kbin for now. I'm sure it's started to throw errors to other instances. Last time it did that we got temporarily defederated.

paradox2011 , to Fediverse in Is there an Imgur equivalent in the Fediverse?

Sorry for necrobumping this thread and you may have already found a solution, but you might try Picsur. It’s an open-source, self-hosted Imgur clone. The self-hosted aspect might not be exactly what you’re looking for, but I did set it up in docker and it worked well and was a simple process.

The development seems to have slowed down a bit, but it does seem feature complete.

Aussiemandeus , to Do It Yourself in A couple questions about clean up on some projects
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Man i wish i could help, i know my wife who’s an electrician won’t reuse wires if it is a new wire job.

However if you change a fan you don’t replace the whole wiring too so i think it’s more to do with cost to customers.

I’m not sure about the breaker question, i work on large machines that have 24v and 400v and 230v circuits and we leave unused breakers in place.

But I’m a mechanic not an electrician

Uprise42 OP ,

I honestly don’t see a reason why it would hurt if there’s nothing wired to the breaker. And it feels safer than leaving the contacts exposed since the metal cover is open on those slots. But I’m not sure if that’s the proper way.

As for the wire, I think it’s more so quality control. If it’s new and you bought it then you know it’s high quality and if it doesn’t work you can warranty your own work, but you can’t warranty old equipment. But this is another one where I can’t see the harm in using it if I am replacing a short strand of wire and it is the right length. Like I said, it’s type NM cable so it seems to be equivalent to modern romex wire, just a different brand.

ebikefolder , to Do It Yourself in Caps(?) for upside-down galvanized fence?

Would planting a hedge or shrubs on your side be an option? Much nicer than a fence, provides a biotope for birds, insects and other animals, can bear fruit (yummy berries!)

Growing to a hight of 3 ft (~90 cm) should be a matter of 2 or 3 years, depending on the plants.

Drusas OP ,

I wish, but my side is a retaining wall.

SamVimes , to Do It Yourself in Caps(?) for upside-down galvanized fence?

I agree with Car in that you should talk to them, regardless of how hard it is before modifying anything.

Depending on design, pliers could bend all the points to face downwards.

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