Imgur links suck ( kbin.social )

Most Fediverse software supports image uploads, so there's no reason to use Imgur for image hosting. Hell, even on my small single-user server (atomicpoet.org), image hosting is easy peasy. Not only is Imgur not needed, they're an annoyance for those of us who are used to seeing images natively on the Fediverse.

I know habits are hard to break, but just remember: this isn't Reddit 🙂

InEnduringGrowStrong ,

Plenty of larger instances limit the upload size because it can snowball into huge hosting costs rather quickly.

atomicpoet OP ,
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I've had the chance to join several big servers and even manage my own (calckey.social). Usually, they set an upload size limit of around 10-15MB, which is more than sufficient for most photos.

However, I must say that I'm not a big fan of Imgur. It's not the best experience for visitors and feels like a prime example of something being unnecessarily unpleasant. I believe people mainly use Imgur out of habit, and the drawbacks haven't been significant enough to overcome that familiarity just yet.

noodlejetski ,

yup, I’ve seen Beehaw admins asking people to use external image hosting sites in order to reduce the server load before.

rpardee ,
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@atomicpoet Are there implications for who gets to pay for the disk space it takes to store image files?

atomicpoet OP ,
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As someone who manages multiple Fediverse servers, I wanted to share a friendly perspective on image uploads. If the option to upload images is available on a server, it's likely because the administrator wants you to utilize that feature. Otherwise, they would simply disable it to avoid incurring additional costs for hosting image files. So go ahead and feel free to make use of image uploads when they're available!

kobra ,

lemm.ee has uploads limited to like 100kb so people can use avatars but effectively the admin wants 0 image hosting. Idk what to use outside of imgur, was hoping this thread would have alternates but I don’t see anything outside of pixelfed, which doesn’t support anonymous easy upload.

LollerCorleone ,
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I use https://postimages.org/

It is very reliable and supports uploading images upto 24 mb in size and 10k x 10k pixels.

fiofiofio ,

Thanks for the tip, that looks like a good alternative

LollerCorleone ,
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No problem! You can also check out https://imgbb.com/, https://imgbox.com/ and https://www.imagebam.com/

kobra ,

I’ll give this a shot in the future, ty!

Hogger85b ,

Remember to stripout any exif data if posting photos

GnothiSeauton ,
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I could see bandwidth being a big issue if the community grows as well, considering images aren’t cached on your local instance so that could easily take down a smaller server or cause a huge unexpected spike in costs.

I feel like we need a good third option, but I’m not even sure what that would look like. Maybe something distributed like IPFS.

JoeCoT ,
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On Mastodon, like kbin and lemmy, locally posted images are hosted locally, and remotely hosted images are cached locally. This can cause a lot of storage. But you can run an automated cron that will clear out cached images older than whatever you want, like a month. Then the local cached storage is at a minimum, and if someone wants to view the image again, it'll get fetched. I don't know if kbin and lemmy have this feature, but they should. It's probably not the locally uploaded images that'll take up a ton of space, it's caching all the remote ones that will.

OctoFloofy ,
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Note that not all instances do this. Especially not necessarily if they aren't mastodon. My calckey instance for example has it optional and i have it off there. Akkoma i know also can do it optionally.

IntlLawGnome ,
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I will add that many of us who work remotely using publicly accessible wifi also use VPNs, and Imgur actively blocks IPs from multiple commercial VPN providers. If you want those users to see the image you're sharing, Imgur is not the way to go.

Pixelfed works well with other Fediverse services like Kbin and Lemmy. Try hosting there!

remember_to_log_off ,
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@atomicpoet plus imgur almost never works over Tor

fearout , (edited )
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When posting one image, sure.
But (at least on kbin currently) there’s no way to upload a gallery or several pictures to put into the body of a thread.

Beliriel ,

Also webm doesn’t work on lemmy or rather pict.rs

Helldiver_M , (edited )
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Its been brought to my attention on a previous thread that if you're attaching images to comments on Kbin, Lemmy users cannot see them.

I still very much dislike imgur though, so I wouldn't suggest that as a solution. But embedding images into hyperlinks seems to be the best way to ensure your comment containing an image is viewed correctly by the wider fediverse.

ferociousfloof ,

Yep it is super annoying atm. Getting to where Reddit + RES was for any Fediverse frontend would be my ideal, but I know that is likely a bit away yet.

However currently Imgur links require me do multiple click/page loads to see anything with Kbin and right now that sucks because there are a fair amount of posts that link to them. And saying, well people should just use X/Y/Z to host it instead is a bad solution. The solution should always be to make X/Y/Z a better/easier hosting option while still supporting other hosts.

dill ,
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Fuck imgur for blocking Mullvad

CannedTuna ,

I use Imgur because Memmy has uploading photos direct to Imgur built in, like Apollo did. If the devs swapped to using PixelFed, I’d be using that. It’s just a matter of convenience.

If I was uploading and sharing photos to my own account, yeah I’d use PixelFed. I don’t have an Imgur account.

So yeah, I agree. It would be good to get away from that service.

ThatGirlKylie ,

This entirely. Just posted the same thing basically bc I’m also using memmy and it’s like I don’t have a choice. What do you suggest then instead of complaining about it.

Not all of us the web browser/desktop to browse lemmy.

thessnake03 ,

Not all of us the web browser/desktop to browse lemmy.

It’s almost like I needed a replacement for an app that was recently stolen from me.

dismalnow ,
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Use kbin to browse the whole fediverse.

It has image hosting.

https://kbin.social/media/cache/resolve/post_thumb/60/f1/60f1d48d2af27f138aa7e01ddb1c11290847f1f636b77dbe981e3c191556ddf2.gif

JJROKCZ ,

But is there an app? If not then this suggestion is kinda moot since this thread is about apps like Memmy defaulting to Imgur upload

dismalnow ,
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The PWA works great when loaded into Firefox.

I have to ask: why does it seem like most people are clamoring to hand their account data over to yet another third party? Apps are convenient, but they're not necessary.

VerifiablyMrWonka ,
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Does Lemmy not let you just attach them to your post?

CannedTuna ,

Yes you can with markdown. But like… then I’d have to go to whatever image site, upload the photo, copy the link, go back to the app, make my comment or post, paste the photo link, bracket it with markdown, and post.

Or, I could just click the little image button in Memmy and click upload photo and it does it for me.screenshot of this comment like so

VerifiablyMrWonka ,
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Oh yeah. But I click a button like that and my image is uploaded to the instance (KBin)

PS. Can't see that image as Imgur blocks my VPN.

iliketrains ,

imgur has more recently blocked access from numerous VPS, VPN and Tor.

vimb ,

Wait, why? What's the incentive?

Saganastic ,

Collect more user data and sell it for $$$ probably.

dismalnow ,
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That and to prevent megaleeching by scraping. It's easier and cheaper to purchase curated lists of IPs than it is to bootstrap a tool to ban them based upon bandwidth.

Brustadnrift ,

Reduce attack surface/abuse. There are plenty of services that maintains lists of “bad IPs” or “VPN IPs”. You can subscribe to them and get the list and block it. Most bots, spammers, attackers etc always run behind some type of VPN or Tor depending on what you’re doing and how much you’re trying to hide your trail.

Most services don’t go out of their way to block VPN IPs because it’s just a support headache/nightmare. Some services like Netflix are legally obligated to block well know VPN IPs

Aesthesiaphilia ,

There are plenty of services that maintains lists of “bad IPs” or “VPN IPs”.

Yeah and they're dicks for doing so.

VPNs are a very basic privacy tool, everyone should be using a VPN at all times.

steal_your_face ,
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Was wondering why Imgur wasn’t working for me

HeartyBeast ,
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Ah, that would explain why I kept getting errors viewing images on Reddit with Safari on Mac (which uses a VPN-like privacy system

Madbrad200 ,
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You have to be careful with image hosts though. Who knows how long Lemmy images will last? at least Imgur has been around for a decade+.

g8phcon2 ,
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on a related note, hosting images on your server for users on other servers, eats up a lot of resources too. I know some instances have stopped allowing saving of images.

anonymoose ,
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I suppose if you wanted to be really certain your uploaded images would remain under your control, you could post them to a PixelFed instance and point it to your own domain like images.mydomain.com. That way you could always redirect them if your PixelFed instance goes down.

ThatGirlKylie ,

What do you suggest when uploading a photo when commenting through an app? Most apps I have tried in the past including the one I’m on right now just upload to Imgur and paste a link in for you.

What is your suggestion for mobile users then?

g8phcon2 ,
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use a web browser....even on your phone....

ThatGirlKylie ,

No? That defeats the whole purpose of not wanting to use the browser app(s) on my phone.

That’s like saying “just browse Reddit on your safari browser on your phone forehead and you won’t have to worry about Apollo shutting down or any other 3rd party app”

Such short-sightedness.

g8phcon2 ,
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Thers's plenty of other good reasons not to use non-free closed source "SaaS" like reddit.

g8phcon2 ,
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then again, if your phone has "safari browser" you probably are unable to be reasoned with anyway.

dismalnow ,
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JJROKCZ ,

Stop your Apple bad elitist bullshit. No one wants that and it isn’t at all helpful to the conversation about what apps achieve the solution OP looking for

Aesthesiaphilia ,

I like it lol

Apple users need to be taken down a peg.

JJROKCZ ,

It’s not a competition, users of anything are just people looking for a product that works best for them

Aesthesiaphilia ,

I disagree, I think Apple users are elitist picks who care about brand recognition way more than is healthy. Text bubble color, seriously? The level of peer pressure that young people face to use apple products is unhealthy for society.

JJROKCZ ,

You’ve been online far too much if you think anyone actually cares about color bubbles other than teenagers who don’t matter because they know nothing yet. Most people who have apple device have it because they were free/on sale with their phone plan or through work. I know dozens of people at my work who have cell phones solely because the company gives them one for work and that’s all they’ve had the past 10 years and it’s of course an iPhone for ease of support and management

Aesthesiaphilia ,

young people

  • me, in the comment you replied to
JJROKCZ ,

The opinions of children don’t matter

Aesthesiaphilia ,

They absolutely matter, how could you think otherwise? What an absurd statement

ThatGirlKylie ,

Oh nooo not an android user. I bet you also use Linux because you’re not like those other tech nerds.

Take your elitism out of here.

YMS ,
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Not wanting to use the browser is its own purpose? Of course I understand if you want to use a specialized app that offers more features, better usability, nicer layouts than the original websites of the services they are for. But using a specialized app just because it's not the browser (which, by the way, it often really is anyway), why that?

JJROKCZ ,

Web browsers are terrible on a phone. There’s a reason apps exist

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Funny, I use web browsers because apps are almost universally terrible. Tons of white space, suck up all your data, need a sign in which usually just redirects to a web page anyway, bloated, run slower, oh and most important of all I can't block ads.

No, [every company in existence], I do not want to download your app.

wutanc ,

How does images work with federation? If 1m users on a big server look at my images that I posted on a small server, is that small server hit with that traffic? Or is all servers caching the image?

OctoFloofy ,
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Depend on how it's setup. Some servers are setup to cache images, some don't. Mine for example doesn't and streams directly from source instead so i don't waste storage.

imaBEES ,

IIRC all text and posts are cached on each server that is federated with one another, while images are just referenced and loaded from the server they were posted on, so if you had an image post on your server, anytime someone wants to load that image it would hit your server

VerifiablyMrWonka ,
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Not strictly true. Mastodon, pixelfed, KBin all cache images.

elscallr ,
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Image hosting is always easy, it's never cheap. That's the difference between an instance with tens of thousands of users and your server with 1.

OctoFloofy ,
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Yeah even for large Media uploads I'll probably not use my own instances server and instead use something like YouTube or streamable. Since many instances don't even support displaying large Media at all i noticed. Like i uploaded a multiple hundreds MB video on my instance and on all Mastodon based instances it showed the file not being available.

Wander ,
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I remember when imgur used to be good.

amio ,

I'm usually on kbin, and here, imgur links are broken. Embeds and thumbnails, neither works for any imgur link.

GrossGhost ,
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I've taken to just ignoring anything with an imgur link. Hopefully with so many better alternatives imgur will die out soon on the fediverse.

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