felixxx999 ,

Could someone explain the food replicator? I thought they weren’t invented yet? Or were they showing an early beta version that can’t get anything right?

PTSD. Like many of us I struggle with it. I was taken how so many on the Enterprise have not gotten any sort of treatment. It also showed Pike as a bit weak of a leader. He should have known to keep certain people away from the Klingon. I did like that he didn’t reprimand Ortega because he understood her feelings. BUT what was he doing inviting her to dinner that night without at least a long talk with her. Pike is wonderful and I’m struggling to understand his sometimes avoiding conflict… even a conflict he could have prevented.

The hand to hand combat was quite good.

Thank you P+ for adding an extra episode this week. I totally expected not to have this one this week.

williams_482 ,
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Could someone explain the food replicator? I thought they weren’t invented yet? Or were they showing an early beta version that can’t get anything right?

That was a “food synthesizer”, a precursor to the TNG era replicator which is more limited in capabilities.

echodot ,

They had something like this in Enterprise. It could only do liquids and it couldn’t replicate the cup, so they had to get the cup out of a little cupboard next to the replicator. Basically a modern day drinks vending machine capable of producing any drink.

teclo ,
@teclo@feddit.uk avatar

I think it even used the same 60’s style sound effect when it worked too.

const_void ,
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Honestly Una should have clued Pike in, not to mention starfleet being all “eat a bag of dicks” knowing full well who was on the enterprise…so who in command has it out for Pike?

reddig33 ,

I keep hoping for an episode later in the series that explains why enterprise gets a remodel with:

  • food dispenser rations / shitty colored marshmallow food to save energy
  • smaller crew quarters
  • a less fancy bar/cafeteria

Maybe there’s a war or something that changes everything?

Continuumguy ,

2x07: Wacky crossover with the comedy cartoon!

2x08: WAR IS HELL, NOBODY IS INNOCENT, MORALITY IS GREY, FORGIVENESS IS QUESTIONABLE, AND THE FRIENDLY DOCTOR MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DELIBERATELY KILLED A GUY IN COLD BLOOD

2x09: Musical!

Find you a show that can do both.

JWBananas ,
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🎵 Through early morning fog I see

Visions of the things to be

The pains that are withheld for me

I realize and I can seeeeeee… 🎵

Hogger85b , (edited )

Buffy
Mom
Once more with feeling

Stargate
Wormhole Xtreme
The tomb

But yeah had to go quite far back

Edit also how could I forget what seems an inspiration of this episode MAS*H

Continuumguy ,

Edit also how could I forget what seems an inspiration of this episode MAS*H

Yes, definitely had a MASH vibe.

michaelgemar ,
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@Continuumguy @startrek But in its serious mode, without the wacky anti-authoritarian hijinks.

rob_t_firefly ,
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The laugh-track-less bits in late-stage MASH.

StillPaisleyCat ,
@StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website avatar

More MASH the movie than the show, at least not the early seasons.

VindictiveJudge ,

Or Farscape, which sometimes did both in the same episode. Teen Titans could pull it off in a kid-friendly format, too, along with ATLA.

const_void ,
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Holy moly. This ep could be a turning point for more than a few characters.

I liked that CMO Benga could not move past his hate, while the Klingon did.

The Klingon had let go of his history and chose life: the doctor, chartered with saving lives, clung to his past and chose to take a life. And on a starfleet vessel, and a diplomat at that! Very interesting.

War does change people, however those changed people can change (for the better) again.

We did not get that line of hope here. Here, we got that death breeds pain which fosters more death.

What we witnessed were two warriors colliding on their redemption arc, with one (Klingon) further along than the other (benga). A dark passenger rides with the CMO…and that’s not great (for him, great for us in the audience).

The episode could be a turning point for CMO Benga and Capt Pike. Ultimately, he is responsible for the death of a Klingon ambassador on his ship.

MMM MMM, SAVORY STUFF!!! MORE!

frankPodmore ,
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I think that might’ve been the best SNW episode so far. Great guest role, all-round incredible performances from the regulars. Babs absolutely smashed it, obviously. Not going to go all out and say it’s one of the top Trek episodes full stop till I’ve had time to think, but right now I can’t think of many better ones!

VindictiveJudge ,

This is SNW’s Duet. If it marks a similar increase in quality, then SNW is going to be amazing.

triktrek ,

Yeah, I couldn’t stop thinking about DS9’s Duet with this episode. Lots of comparisons, though I think there was a lot more grey-ish morality in the SNW world. War is complicated and it sucks for everyone involved.

triktrek ,

I see that they replaced transporter chief Kyle with an Asian actress, given that André Dae Kim is now unavailable to Star Trek. I wonder if they will develop her character.

Olap ,

Left me pining for the Romulan war in Enterprise s5. Also pissed we didn’t get to see the refit of enterprise last episode (I did them both tonight)

But wow. SNW is sooo good. Another classic this season

valen ,
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This episode exists because of the stupid Starfleet rule of having traumatized veterans of the war have to interact positively with the supposedly bad-to-good turned war crime enemy. That’s a classic example of people acting stupid for “plot” (e.g. we couldn’t have this episode without the stupid bit).

stuck ,

Can we just have a quick shout out to Jess Bush who is such a talented actress. Nurse Chapel experiencing RAGE was so convincing!

rob_t_firefly ,
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She is really good. I loved TOS, I loved other things Majel did, but I never thought before this show I’d actually be taking the Nurse Chapel character seriously.

LexPendragon ,
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@rob_t_firefly @stuck Strange New Worlds has two excellent stand-ins for Majel, and I am always glad to see my daughter's namesake celebrated by giving her roles such respect.

michaelgemar ,
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@stuck Terrific performance, and a great re-imagining of a character that was woefully underserved in TOS.

eva_sieve ,

I liked that this episode and Quality of Mercy fleshed out (prime) Pike’s weakness-- he’s very much a diplomat, not a warrior. He avoids conflict to a fault, and this distinguishes him from other “diplomat” captains like Picard, who’s more willing to show his teeth when necessary.

It really contextualizes why Starfleet Command told Pike to stay on his Five Year Mission during Discovery s1–ya just know he would have gotten the Enterprise banged up while trying to make nice withsome T’kuvma fanatics.

BROMETHIUS ,

I love when people post relevant clips. Thanks

Corgana ,
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I watched this immediately after watching a heavier episode of MAS*H and well, damn.

Glimpythegoblin ,

This made me want a mash type start trek series about a medical base during the war.

Hogger85b ,

It made me think of mash too, luckily hadn't just come off watching one but did have some of the feeling of darker episdoes

JWBananas ,
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M’Benga: I can live with it

baruch ,
@baruch@babka.social avatar

"... because I can live with it. Computer, erase that entire personal log."

Prouvaire ,

This episode was like someone said "Let's do our version of The Undiscovered Country" and then gave it to a bunch of DS9 writers to execute. It starts with very Roddenberrian premise - the promise of a former enemy becoming an ally. But then it brings in the gritty realism of what war is really like, ala "The Siege of AR-558", and the moral cost that war extracts - that maybe the monster you see is not just in the face of the enemy, but the face you see in the mirror, ala "Duet", "In the Pale Moonlight" and the other morally grey episodes that often marked the best of DS9's run.

erbazzone ,

After one of the funniest episode in trek history we got one of the darkest.

famousringo ,

The variety is one of best things about SNW. The whole episode was a thriller. You know somebody’s going to get stabbed, just a question of who, when, and how badly.

maddy ,

So this is how M’Benga isn’t the CMO by the time of Kirk? This storyline still has many more seasons to go, it seems.

williams_482 ,
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M’Benga has compiled a hell of a list of justifications for getting demoted already, and (obviously) none of them have actually got him in trouble just yet. Secretly keeping his daughter in the transporter buffer, carrying super soldier serum about his person at all times, killing a Klingon ambassador… suffice to say he’s a bit of a wildcard.

tuxman20 ,
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@williams_482 @maddy Demoted?! More like Court Martialed and sent to a mining colony for life :P

angstrom ,

Yeah. There is definitely several stories that could play out here, for both M’Benga and Chapel.

Continuity wise McCoy didn’t join the Enterprise until after the first couple of episodes of TOS s1, Mark Piper was the CMO for those so there is definitely a thread they could pick on prior to Kirk taking command of the Enterprise.

For Chapel we know she gets engaged to Roger Korby at some point. Will be interesting to see how they move the character to line up with ‘What Are Little Girls Made Of?’

koreth , (edited )

Not just by the time of Kirk. He’s already gone by the time of “The Cage.”

EDIT: No, I got my timeline screwed up. “The Cage” predates SNW. Oops.

StillPaisleyCat ,
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A fantastic episode.

Certainly, another YMMV of episode as the season takes on radically different tones and tropes episode by episode.

In my view, it’s one of the few episodes in the franchise that tackles trauma authentically and successfully. I would put it the ‘best of lists’.

It’s astonishing how many standout episodes we’ve had already this season.

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