This is one of those things I don't consider a transgender issue. Jails, prisons, etc should allow each cell to have a maximum capacity of one. Fact is that not everyone convicted is guilty but many in the system are dangerous. Heck all meals should be taken in the cells and convicts should not have to go to yard time if they don't want to.
The downside of “cells of one”, is people who get suicidal. In civilized countries, new inmates get paired with a “trusted inmate” for the first couple weeks, both to show them the ropes, but also to prevent them from hanging themselves with one.
Im not so sure in the US system that cell mate will prevent suicide. I also do not see suicide as nearly as bad as getting killed by your cellmate. At least the suicide wanted to die and made that decision.
Yeah… from the descriptions of this case, it seems like it was more of an execution, with other inmates high-fiving the killer as he was beating the victim, and personnel conspicuously absent for over an hour even as it was being recorded on camera.
Then again, there was the Epstein case, where he was “left alone” and just the cameras and all checks “happened to fail” all at the same time.
I don’t think that the punishment meets the crime. No one deserves to be treated inhumanely in prison. No matter how mislead this person is, that’s a terrible outcome.
I can agree in principle. However, I can make exceptions for when people who vote for policies that promote and encourage discrimination experience the fruits of their labor first-hand.
Well, if it were extrajudicial I would agree. Leopards ate her face. But this is our country’s judicial system. It isn’t wholly owned by the far right (though it’s wildly close).
Precisely this. I tend to extend the tolerance paradox to violence, sometimes people have never been punched in the face and it shows. Just like tolerance of intolerance only allows intolerance to spread and shit all over everything, so does pacifism in the face of violence. I don’t want her to be hurt, but she supported a system and society that sees violence against trans as a core value and she doesn’t get to shocked Pikachu when she reaps the fruits of her labors.
Then you have no principle with which to agree. You can’t be a fair weather ethicist. You either believe in human rights for ALL, including pieces of shit, or you don’t believe in them for ANYONE.
“Message to my enemies: when the revolution comes you’re not just gonna get the wall, Buddy, you’re gonna get four walls, a roof, clean clothes, good food, education, and quality health care, because that’s what every human being alive deserves.”
I’m sorry, do you want bad things to happen to trans people? Yeah, she’s an insurrectionist, no, that doesn’t mean she should get put in harm’s way as part of her sentencing. Find your fucking heart.
Yes, and there’s an irony to it. That doesn’t change that it’s cruel and absolutely not something that should be happening even to the worst people out there, regardless of how much we hate them or if it’s exactly what they were pushing to make even worse.
Are trans rights human rights or not? You think it’s fine for a trans women to be raped and murdered in a men’s prison because her politics are shit? Well, thanks for letting us know where you stand.
No one deserves to be raped and murdered in prison. The justice system is far from perfect but we don’t sentence people to be raped and then murdered. We do rarely sentence people to death, but not by vigilante shanking or beating.
What’s so bad about siding with the “prisoners”? Not with the “criminals” mind you, just the “prisoners”.
In many countries, prisons have the mandate to “reeducate and reinsert into society”, and while privation of liberty is a punishment in itself, it’s intended only as a way to turn criminals too dangerous to let loose, into upstanding citizens once they do their time.
Prisoners can be “citizens in the making”, not just “criminals thrown in a hole”. That might be the first point to try to get through.
I’m saying people will say absurd things like “so you think it’s okay to murder people?” I have genuinely had people ask me that when I complained about our inhumane prison system.
I know what you mean, we have a “reeducate and reinsert” penal system in Spain, and some people keep asking for the death penalty for murderers. Dead people can’t become a member of society! 🙄
It’s just the Overton window, we have it still towards the side of reeducation, but some people keep trying to push it towards punishment. In the US, it’s already leaning towards punishment… and those people you mention, are the ones pushing it… so if you want that to change, you need to push it the other way.
Something like “so you think throwing people away is a good use of resources?”. Follow up with a joke about Soylent Green, or something, to make it look less confrontational… but ultimately it needs to be something farther away than your actual position, just like they do 🤷
Exactly, a significant portion of people aren’t able to argue about this in good faith and need to be walked through this long list of deep ethics questions in order to sorta meet the right answer.
It’s clear that she did something awful, but she doesn’t deserve a greater punishment than other people convicted of the same crime, I think that’s the point being made here.
I completely agree; was just sharing context because I felt the article kind of assumed you knew the prior reporting.
I’m not, in any way, saying she deserved what happened to her or anything like that.
It’s pretty clear that the guards let that happen (the whole “no one checked in on the cell for 68 minutes” thing when everyone is supposed to be checked at least once an hour), and that’s not okay.
Duh. Republicans and Police are all terrorists, full stop. Their supporters as well. Lock them ALL up and quash any resistence as necessary in line with appropriate escalation of force.
EDIT: Blocked the terrorist who thinks opposing the actively stated Republican goals of trans genocide is “fear porn”
The parents of a woman who was beaten to death at a county jail last year are suing the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, alleging failures by several of its leaders and deputies allowed her to be killed by her cellmate.
Chief among the failures, the lawsuit says: Deputies gave Kaushal Niroula, who was transgender, a sex offender cellmate with a violent past.
The new filing adds to the cascade of similar suits over inmate deaths that have been recently against the department, which is also being investigated by the state attorney general over the deaths and other allegations of misconduct and civil rights violations.
A record 18 inmates died in the jails in 2022.
The suit states that the department acted negligently and in violation of both the constitution and state law by allowing Niroula to be housed in a cell with Ronald Sanchez, a man who was a convicted sex offender and had a history of violent behavior. The sheriff’s department manages all jails in Riverside County.
The suit states that sheriff’s personnel knew Sanchez posed an imminent threat to Niroula, who was particularly vulnerable because she was transgender and HIV-positive, and yet the sheriff’s department allowed the two to be housed together at the Cois Byrd Detention Center in Murrieta.
Murrieta is very much part of an island of conservativism in the rest of California. It's very much a green grass, "whites only" kind of place. Oodles of Mormons. Not exactly friendly to LGBTQ folk.
I lived there. I went to high school there. It was where I voted for the first time.
I remember in high school thinking a girl was cute and she invited me over on a Sunday morning. She picked me up for what I thought was going to be a day of just hanging out at her place - but instead, she dragged me to her Mormon church. The preacher spoke out about how proud they were that they were able to pass Prop 8 (which banned gay marriage in California), how hard they fought for it, and how evil LGBTQ folk were. I was disgusted, but at the time I couldn't drive (and thus couldn't leave). When I finally escaped, I made a point to never talk to that girl again.
Public Counsel, the nonprofit group that filed the lawsuit on behalf of Temecula students, parents and teachers, claims the policy has been used by school board members to stop teaching "any concepts that conflict with their ideological viewpoints, including the history of the LGBTQ rights movement and the existence of racism in today's society."
Temecula is full of bigots, all hiding under their mask. But when you live there, you see the mask slip.