Prouvaire

@[email protected]

Addicted to love. Flower cultivator, flute player, verse maker. Usually delicate, but at times masculine. Well read, even to erudition. Almost an orientalist.

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Prouvaire ,

It's worth remembering that due to the way federation works, if an instance starts federating this magazine for the first time after this post was made, people on that instance won't see this post.

Prouvaire ,

As far as I can tell, yes.

ActivityPub, it seems to me, was designed more for time-centric social media like Twitter/Mastodon than content-centric media like Reddit/Lemmy/kbin.

Prouvaire , (edited )

It's all a little confusing. Here's my understanding of how things work, though I can't claim to be an expert so may have gotten something wrong:

  • A community's home instance will always have the complete history of a community/magazine. So if you click on a lemmy community or kbin magazine and end up on that community/magazine's home server (eg lemmy.world or startrek.website or fedia.io - the first two being lemmy instances and fedia being a kbin instance), you will always see everything, including any pinned posts. The critical distinction is that you're viewing the community not on YOUR server (eg kbin.social), but on the HOME instance of that community (ie lemmy.world or whatever). Here's an example of a community on another server: https://startrek.website/c/startrek
  • If you are NOT on that community/magazine's home instance, ie, if you're on kbin.social, but someone had already subscribed to that community/magazine from your server (ie someone from kbin.social subscribed to [email protected] or whatever) than you will be able to see all posts from whatever date that initial person first subscribed. So if you are on kbin.social (like me), and looking at [email protected] while on kbin.social then you will see all posts from whatever date someone from kbin.social first subscribed to that community and kicked off the federation process. I assume this also means that you will see any pinned posts, as long as that post was created after that first federation. Here's an example of that startrek community, but viewed on kbin.social: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]
  • However if nobody on your instance has subscribed to a community/magazine before, you first need to subscribe to that community/magazine from your home instance (ie kbin.social), and from that moment on only new posts will be seen in the feed for that community while you're on your server (ie kbin.social). If you want to see the complete history, including any posts pinned before that first federation, you need to visit that community's home instance.

Not sure if I've explained all this clearly, it's probably something best represented using diagrams.

Anyway, the way I've tried to address this for my little Musicals community, is to include the pinned post (in my case a "Welcome" post), and where to find the complete history, in the community description, like so:

For lovers, performers and creators of musical theatre (or theater). Broadway, off-Broadway, the West End, other parts of the US and UK, and musicals around the world. Welcome post: https://tinyurl.com/kbinMusicals See all/older posts here: https://kbin.social/m/Musicals/

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x07 "Those Old Scientists"

LoglineAn accident while investigating a time portal sends Ensigns Beckett Mariner and Bradward Boimler through time from the 24th century, and Captain Pike and his crew must get them back where they belong before they can alter the timeline....

Prouvaire ,

The danger with these "very special fun episodes" is that they can be confined to being just that. But what elevated this episode is how it used the time travel/crossover conceit to foreshadow, progress and pay off SNW character arcs, including Chapel and Spock's ultimately doomed relationship (something that I've previously said could be incredibly poignant, if handled right), Number One's legacy, and the way Pike confronts his fate. I hope the musical episode does the same.

Prouvaire ,

The retro poster has a Once More With Feeling vibe. Hoping Subspace Rhapsody will approach (or even meet) the standard that Buffy set as far as TV show musical episodes go.

Prouvaire ,

That was Picardo singing a parody of "La Donna e Mobile", an aria in Verdi's opera Rigoletto.

DS9 also had some episodes where they showed off their cast's vocal chops, eg Avergy Brooks and James Darren singing "The Best is Yet to Come" and Nana Visitor singing "Fever".

Prouvaire ,

You obviously feel very strongly about this.

Have you considered bursting into song to give your feelings full expression?

Prouvaire ,

For those who don't know, Carol Kane (though not particularly known as a singer) has sung on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt and has appeared in the US tour of the musical Wicked as Madame Morrible.

Prouvaire ,

Umm...

Prouvaire ,

I actually preferred the early episodes when it felt... I wouldn't say "less" Star Trek, but where the Star Trek tropes and settings weren't so pronounced. I thought the pilot double-episode might even possibly have been the best pilot of the franchise - focused on character, and with the Federation (via tech like the universal translator) being a symbolic and literal way of different people coming together. I'm always interested in shows that push Star Trek beyond what's familiar, but still true to its core, and Prodigy definitely falls into that group.

Prouvaire ,

A place clone would still be hosted on a single instance (presumably). It would be good if someone could develop a multi-user event that took advantage of the federated nature of kbin/lemmy or even the wider fediverse also. No idea what that could be though.

Prouvaire ,

claiming there are two Delta Vegas.

I have no problem with this solution. See for example, the other Paris.

Archer comments that Vulcan females specifically have a heightened sense of smell, but in “The Andorian Incident” it is a male Vulcan monk who comments that the smell aboard the NX-01 “must be intolerable.”

You can reconcile this: To Vulcan males we really smell. To Vulcan females, we really, really smell.

so perhaps that’s a cultural practice that fell out of usage between ENT and DIS/SNW/TOS

There's a tendency to treat every alien race as a monoculture, but maybe Spock and T'Pol just came from different parts of Vulcan.

As a human Spock chooses to eat bacon

I actually kind of assumed that it might have been facon. While I can see the Enterprise growing real plants on its five year mission (hence Pike's preference of real herbs), I can't see it breeding real pigs.

T’Pring and Spock decide to take time apart, but we know this isn’t permanent,

The real question is, when T'Pring finds out about Spock and Chapel getting it on, will his excuse be that they were on a break?

Prouvaire ,

I've always interpreted the "no money in the Federation" thing non-literally. I think there's still a financial and economic system operating in the background (otherwise this would be the most radical bit of world building Star Trek has ever done - and Star Trek's world building has never been particularly innovative), but it's just that "money" doesn't have the same primacy in people's lives as it does in the real world today.

I imagine there would be an electronic system of debits and credits (hence "credits" being the currency) moving around in the aether, with money in its physical form having entirely disappeared. Less "evolved" societies like the Ferengi would still use a form of cash (latinum), as would backward societies like 20th century Earth (hence Kirk saying "They're still using money" in The Voyage Home).

But even more than the term "money" being associated with physical currency (a concept that's increasingly being phased out even in the real world), to Federation citizens "money" would be associated with the archaic mindset of capitalism, greed and exploitation - the accumulation of financial wealth for its own sake. As opposed to 24th century people who (with just about all physical needs like health, food and shelter met by virtue of tech like replicators and advanced medicine), can focus on bettering themselves as a goal in its own right. So you might study medicine or law, not because it pays well, but because you're interested in that field. You might go for a promotion in your job, not because it pays better, but you seek the satisfaction of having more responsibility.

Prouvaire ,

Exactly. "Money" (or "credits") would still exist to address whatever scarcity remains. Eg replicators can't replicate starships (although in Prodigy we get pretty close IIRC). Or if you want to own that genuine Rembrandt (even if you could replicate a very good fake). Or if you want to trade with societies that still use money. But it would be confined to edge cases like that.

Prouvaire ,

I feel like it’s different when we’re talking about a planet.

I suppose I kind of figure that planets in the Star Trek world are more analogous to cities/countries in our world. Also, "Delta Vega" is such a generic-sounding, human-centric designation anyway that in my head canon the full, formal designation of a planet in the Federation catalogue of stellar objects might be a lot longer, with "Delta Vega" in this case just one part of the full name. Think about the billions of stars that Starfleet has catalogued, and thousands of planets containing life. There's surely room for more than one "Delta Vega". Not to mention that planets have different names used by different groups or contexts, just like Earth is also referred to as Terra, Sol III, Die Erde, La Monde etc. So I figure there's different Delta Vegas around, and people know which one is being talked about from context.

That (monoculture) tendency is built into Trek, for good or ill, and I would say it even applies to humans.

Agreed, and put me down "for ill", but I like the idea of explaining apparent canon contradictions by expanding the universe beyond the monocultures we usually see. One of my favourite little moments in Picard was Laris tapping Shaban on the Westmore appliance and calling him a "stubborn northerner". In just those two seconds the Romulan culture got a lot more interesting.

The question is though, is Pike such a foodie that he would throw his weight around be certain that there is a supply of real bacon on the ship for him to use

If we ever see an episode where he hunts down a boar, guts it, dresses it and serves it to his crew with a nice sprig of coriander, we'll know for sure. ;-)

Prouvaire ,

The United Federation of Platforms

Prouvaire ,

I loved Jeff Russo's main title theme to Counterpart but I have to admit for me his work on Trek (DIS, PIC, SNW) has depended too much on an awkward (to my ears) bookend structure where he:

  • starts with a familiar Trek motif
  • introduces new theme or a variation/development on a Trek theme
  • ends with a familiar Trek musical motif

That said, given the premise of SNW, it's more justifiable for that show than the other two.

Prouvaire ,

So reddit will pay memelords but not mods?

Prouvaire ,

You mean... embrace and extend?

Prouvaire ,

@Shadow For All Mankind is the Star Trek prequel we should have had.

As well as showrunner Ronald D Moore, the show has a raft of Trek alumni on its writing/producing staff.

@pinwurm

Prouvaire ,

Robinson 110% played Garak as being sexually interested in Bashir in his first appearance. And in the (non-canon but very very good) novel A Stitch in Time that Robinson himself authored, he establishes Garak as having had relationships with men and women.

As the show developed the producers/writers/studio backed away from that idea (which, to be fair, I think is a spin that the actor himself put on the script, rather than being there on the page itself), hence giving Garak a girlfriend.

Personally I never read into any of their scenes together that Bashir was interested in Garak as anything more than a friend, but if the show had been more progressive in that respect I suppose it might have evolved into an explicitly romantic relationship. Early 1990s vs early 2020s I suppose.

DS9 was pretty progressive in that the idea of "being in the closet" wrt ones sexual orientation was never a consideration. In "Rejoined" for instance, nobody has an issue with Dax loving another woman - the taboo was about reassociation. And "Rules of Acquisition" people didn't judge Pel (who people thought was a man at the time) for falling in love with Quark - the taboo was about Ferengi females wearing clothes etc. (Not sure if that Matt Baume video mentions this - it's been a while since I saw it.)

Prouvaire ,

As mentioned, I think there's some evidence of Garak being queer, but not a lot of Bashir. That's where fan theorising comes in. But even in fanon I don't think people thought they were "in the closet", ie hiding their sexuality. It was more a case of "what we see on-screen is not the whole story, the fun stuff happens when the cameras are off them".

This is similar to how a lot of fans saw Seven as queer (even though I personally don't think there was a lot, if any, evidence of it on screen). But there was sufficient momentum for this fan theory that the writers made Seven canonically queer in Picard.

Prouvaire ,

Bashir was noticeably nervous in "Past Prologue", their first meeting. It's interesting that fans ignore that, or chalk it up to him being nervous because Garak might be a spy, as opposed to accusing the actors and writers of extracting humour out of the "gay panic" trope. I guess it's because now people know theirs turned into a real friendship (or even more. ;-) ) Although I suspect if "Past Prologue" had aired today, there'd be a lot more outrage.

Prouvaire ,

ENT was basically watered down TNG for its first two seasons. Some of the time it was good (eg "Carbon Creek"), some of the time it was bad (eg "Precious Cargo"), but most of the time it was stultifyingly mediocre. Season 3 tried something different, but it was only in season 4 that ENT found its true voice.

And it was Manny Coto who was responsible for the upswing in quality. I'm generally skeptical of prequels, but at least Coto fully bought into the premise of ENT being a prequel show, and showed us how various aspects of Trek lore came to be. I think his stint running that final season may have been his best work.

Prouvaire , (edited )

As someone who used to hang around TrekBBS back in the day, there are actually many conservative and libertarian Star Trek fans.

It always baffled me also, but I think many of them were/are TOS fans. Kirk's swashbuckling, individualistic, break-the-rules, throw-a-roundhouse-when-you-need-to style disguised Roddenberry's socialist utopia that existed in the more civilised parts of the Federation. Certainly more so than adventures of the tea-sipping, conference-chairing, "I think I'll surrender in my very first appearance" Frenchman who followed him.

Prouvaire ,

Hah! Normally I say that VOY is TNG-lite and ENT is VOY-lite, but decided to skip a generation this time. 😅

Prouvaire ,

many of those progressive things are [now] either the norm, or seen as regressive

Totally agree.

Part of it might also be that they didn’t see Trek as anything more than “cool space show, with a whole bunch of scantily clad men and women”, and didn’t bother to look any deeper

Again, I think we're actually in agreement. If you look past the cool space show and can avert your eyes from William Ware Theiss' gravity-defying outfits you should be able to discern that Roddenberry's future is largely socialist, some would argue even communist. Centralised world government, no private enterprise (pun not intended), and by the time TNG aired, even no money. (Note there were references to money in TOS.) Not that I'm trying to imply conservative Trek fans aren't smart enough to figure this out. But - like the diversity and inclusion in the TOS cast - TOS's liberalism (social, not economic) isn't something that the show hit you in the face with. It's treated matter-of-factly, as backstory or backdrop. Whereas a show like DIS basically grabs you by the lapels and shouts "I'm progressive! I'm progressive!!" (Exaggerating of course, but you get the idea.)

not unlike Star Wars. It’s just guns, cool ships, and shooting, with the imperialistic allegory being ignored, or gone unnoticed

Not much of a Star Wars fan, but I assume this is David Brin's critique?

Prouvaire ,

Arrgh! I just wrote a detailed response to your post, acknowledging that you're completely right about how TOS's liberalism hit you in the face in a different way, explaining where I was coming from, and ending with how I actually doubt Roddenberry would have put a queer character in the show based on his nixing of "Blood and Fire", David Gerrold's early first season TNG script. But kbin ate it. sigh

Prouvaire ,

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Prouvaire ,

Roddenberry was showrunner at the time, so surely it would have come down to him to make the call. I suppose it's possible that Paramount may have put pressure on him, but this is the same Roddenberry who did NOT nix the interracial kiss even though he was told it would cause NBC affiliates in the south to drop the show. I suspect he just may not have felt as strongly about LGBTQ rights as he did about other things. Which I'm kind of equanimous about. Not everyone has to feel equally passionately about every cause.

Prouvaire ,

I know there's a perception that Leonard Maizlish was the power behind the throne, but even if he was meddling with the production and causing general mayhem, he was still there at Roddenberry's behest, especially in the first season.

You may have a point about Roddenberry spiking Gerrold's story for personal reasons. Star Trek was never the sole creation of Gene Roddenberry. Justman, Solow, Coon, Fontana and others arguably added as much to the franchise as Roddenberry as he himself did (though I don't dispute his was the most pivotal contribution). But one gets the sense he wasn't willing to be as collaborative during TNG as he had been during TOS.

It's a shame Gerrold left under such bad circumstances. There's a lof of his DNA in TNG. Some of the ideas - like the Captain not leaving the ship to go on landing parties (err, sorry, away missions) - came straight out of his book The World of Star Trek.

Prouvaire ,

I was not a fan of introducing legacy characters like Spock, Kirk - and even lesser-explored characters like Pike, Chapel, Number One and M'Benga to an extent - in DIS/SNW. Introduce new characters I say, that aren't hamstrung by what's already been established - something that I think is even more important in a show that's set in the "past".

That said, if we were to have a pre-TOS Spock, I wanted to see a Spock who would credibly grin at a plant or exclaim "The women!". I think SNW has given us that.

However, you're absolutely right. The destination for the character in SNW is for him to choose his Vulcan half over his human half. Hopefully the writers have planned this out. There's potential for a poignant story arc here, not just for Spock but also Chapel and T'Pring.

Prouvaire ,

@Fgbd009 There could be different reasons for this. One is that federation with the home instance might be broken or slow.

Another reason has to do with the way the activitypub protocol that the Fediverse is designed around, basically assumes you're only interested in new content when you subscribe to a magazine/community.

For what it's worth, I've discussed why this causes problems for new users in more detail here:
https://kbin.social/m/fediverse/t/131225/Making-threadiverse-communities-more-discoverable-some-suggestions

Prouvaire ,

It's possible that said showrunners are giving interviews in their capacity as producers, not writers.

This is a point of contention between the WGA and studios. See for instance:
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/showrunners-writers-strike-producing-writing-1235626881/
https://deadline.com/2023/05/writers-strike-disney-hbo-showrunners-letter-other-studios-wga-1235357794/

Prouvaire ,

@USSBurritoTruck

Kirk’s middle name, Tiberius, was established in the TAS episode, “Bem”. Prior to that, the only indication of what his middle name might be was in the second pilot, “Where No Man Has Gone Before” when Gary Mitchell created a tombstone reading ”James R. Kirk”.

While David Gerrold canonised the "T" as standing for "Tiberius" in "Bem", we did know that his middle name started with the letter "T" as far back as "Mudd's Women" IIRC. You undoubtedly already knew this, but the way this particular connection was worded suggested that the "T" also first appeared in "Bem", when it had been established early in TOS.

Incidentally, but non-canonically, in Gene Roddenberry's novelisation of The Motion Picture, he has Kirk write, in "Admiral Kirk's preface" to the novel, that:

Tiberius, as I am forever tired of explaining, was the Roman emperor whose life for some unfathomable reason fascinated my grandfather Samuel.

And quoting from that same preface just for shits and giggles and to proffer today's insight into the mind of Eugene Wesley Roddenberry:

I received James because it was both the name of my father's beloved brother as well as that of my mother's first love instructor.

Prouvaire , (edited )

@USSBurritoTruck

Too bad “The Omega Glory” didn’t also get in on the game.

That would have been funny.

The difference is that "James T" is actually spoken in "Mudd's Women" (also "The Conscience of the King", "Court Martial", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "A Taste of Armageddon" and "Errand of Mercy" in the first season) , whereas "James R" only appears visually on the tombstone in "Where No Man..."

I'd guess the real world reason for the discrepancy is that the tombstone was a mistake by the props people that slipped past Justman or Roddenberry. But fan theories that used to go around included that the "R" referred to a private joke or nickname between Mitchell and Kirk, or that the events of "Where No Man..." took place in an alternate reality. (IIRC one of the novels ran with this one.)

Interestingly the "T" middle initial goes back all the way back to Roddenberry's original outline in the early 60s, when the name of the captain was "Robert T. April". Other notable Captains with "T" middle initials include "William T. Riker", "Captain J. T. Esteban" and.... err... I thought there was at least one more, but am drawing a blank.

edit: The other person I was thinking of was "Leland T. Lynch", but he wasn't a captain.

Prouvaire OP ,

1. MAKE FEDIVERSE-WIDE SEARCH MORE FRIENDLY

Search should, by default (ie unless constrained by the user), search communities and posts and users, and present the results grouped into these categories, with communities displayed first or at least prominently.

The current default fediverse search screens - especially on lemmy - are intimidating and require the user to know how the fediverse works before searching, eg knowing the difference between "local" and "all" or the difference between a "community" and a "creator".

Rather than putting the onus on the user to narrow search parameters before searching, have a general search bar that group the results after searching into easily distinguishable groupings, ie communities, posts and users.

Reddit search does this very well, and offers additional quality-of-life features like suggesting communities related to your search term even as you type.

Advanced users should still be able to specify search parameters in more detail up front of course, but it's important to hide any complexity from new users.

Prouvaire OP ,

2. ALLOW COMMUNITIES TO BE DISCOVERED MORE EASILY ON UNFEDERATED INSTANCES

Communities should automatically (unless the community owner deliberately prevents this) be registered with one or more community directory services. The lemmy/kbin community search facility should use these services by default so that a new user's search results are not limited to communities that have already been pulled into that user's instance.

Multiple directory services should be available for the search service (similar to how you can switch between DNS servers) in order to eliminate single point sensitivity, which is part of the fediverse ethos.

The current method of finding new communities not already federated ("enter the exact, direct address of the community, and/or search and wait for a day before any results show up for anything not already on this instance") should be deprecated and only be used in the event these community directory services are down.

This will prevent the following scenario: A new user chooses an instance, creates an account, and searches for a community related to their interest on that instance. They may find a popular community (eg /gaming), because other users on that instances have already joined it (or because someone has created this community on their instance). But even moderately obscure communities will likely not appear in the search results because they're hosted on another instance, and nobody on this instance has subscribed to them yet. This makes it look like the fediverse is a lot emptier than it actually is, because niche communities (the long tail of communities that are the secret sauce of reddit's success) are difficult to discover.

Basically, every community should easily be discoverable from any instance on first search (unless the community owner deliberately chooses to hide their community from the directory services).

I know there are already some websites that act as a directory of communities, but you have to be aware of these in order to use them. They are not built into the native community search functionality of lemmy or kbin, so 99% of users (especially new users) will not be aware of them.

Prouvaire OP ,

3. BRING OVER SOME CONTENT WHEN FIRST FEDERATING COMMUNITIES

When an instance first federates a community, it should bring across at very least the last (let's say) 100 threads or the last (let's say) 7 day's worth of threads from that community (plus associated comments), whichever is greater.

This will prevent the following scenario: A user finds a community that's hosted on another instance, joins the community, but then finds no evidence of activity on their instance, because when an instance federates a community, it only starts pulling across posts from that moment in time. It makes it look like the community is dead, even if it isn't. While there may be a "Browse this community on the original instance" message, but that may well confuse people, and it doesn't mitigate the initial impression that the community has not posts.

Related to this - any pinned posts from a community should also be brought across by default, as these posts often contain information that a new user will find useful or that the moderators want all users to be aware of.

4. IDEALLY BRING OVER (OR ALLOW TO BE SEARCHED/SORTED) ALL CONTENT WHEN FEDERATING COMMUNITIES

The shelf life of posts in most communities is pretty short. If you subscribe to /news it probably doesn't matter if you can't see the top-ranked post from three years ago. But other communities curate content that has a much longer shelf life. A community like /askhistorians for instance, or /buyitforlife, where a user might want to search the archives for a great overview on the events leading up to the building of the Berlin Wall, or recommendations for the best compression socks. Allowing new users to search the complete history of a community, or sort posts by something like "most upvoted by all time", makes the community more useful.

So ideally if you subscribe to a community hosted on another instance on your home instance you should be able to browse/search/sort that community's entire archive.

I know you can click a link to browse a community on the original instance, but that can be confusing because suddenly you are now browsing on a site where you do not have an account.

Copying over the entire database for a community has storage/bandwidth implications (although I would argue data consumption issues are inherent to the fediverse model, which could lead to another discussion around the fediverse's scalability limitations). But perhaps there is a way for searches and sorts to interrogate the host instance of a community (which presumably has the most complete database) rather than the local instance.

Prouvaire ,

@devnull

Waited four seasons for them to do this throwaway gag on

And they had the perfect episode to do it in too.

Prouvaire ,

@AnonTwo @ernest is aware of the issue: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/80

Hopefully this will be changed soon, as the current system is confusing can be off-putting.

Prouvaire ,

Just as Roddenberry's utopian future transcends sexism, racism, ableism and other isms, so too does the cold-blooded calculation of the corporate accountant. Networks will cancel shows that lose money and renew shows that make money over whatever timeframe their cost/benefit ratio is run on. Personally, I think Prodigy is a breath of fresh air for the franchise, and cancelling it/removing it the network is a mistake from a brand/franchise/portfolio management perspective. But spinning its cancellation as an example of misogyny is silly. You might as well argue that Paramount hates kids cause there are many more children as main characters in the show and only one adult woman.

Prouvaire ,

@StillPaisleyCat I appreciate the long, well-thought out reply. But I'm not convinced. Lower Decks has a black woman, Tawny Newsome, first on the call sheet and Mike McMahan has said (IIRC) that by default all of the characters in the show are bisexual (something that's been shown in various ways on-screen), so I don't think you can point to Prodigy's cancellation due to some bias against LGBTQIA+, women or people of colour when you have a counterfactual right there in its sister show. In fact, every modern Trek show has its diversity boxes well and truly checked, but nobody is accusing Paramount of cancelling Picard because of some network executive's bias against an interacial lesbian relationship in Raffi/Seven.

I haven't watched any of the Yellowstone shows (they're on my list) but I understand that franchise has Kevin Costner, Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren in its stable. A show starring these actors is just going to do better than a show starring Kate Mulgrew (who's last-billed, albeit with the "and" credit), just as a show starring Patrick Stewart as the lead is inherently going to do better numbers than a show where Kate Mulgrew is a supporting character. Bring in, oh say Beyonce, as a lead on a Trek and I'm pretty sure the ratings will spike through the roof. It's not because they're white or male, it's because they're more famous.

They wouldn’t have done this with Picard or Kirk.

Maybe, maybe not. But if not, it's because Picard and Kirk are more iconic, more well recognised characters than Janeway. Star Trek was never more popular in the mainstream than in the mid 80s-early 90s, with the TOS movies and TNG TV series both in full flight. VOY ran during the Berman era's middle-age as Trek's star (nyuk nyuk) was beginning to fade. Fans know who Janeway is, but most people on the street wouldn't, whereas most people on the street would recognise Captain Kirk and the bald English guy from that space show.

By the way, I say all this as someone who thinks that Prodigy is a far more worthy addition to the franchise than the fan-lauded season 3 of Picard.

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