WhoRoger

WhoRoger , 9 months ago

How about outside Trek… Have you seen The Orville? At least the first season is more laugh than serious. Also Firefly.

WhoRoger , 10 months ago

I actually like it. TNG’s theme was annoyingly bombastic to my ears, DS9’s is basically nothing, Voy is okay I guess.

Not saying ENT song was the best choice there could be, but I don’t know why it should be gospel that ST has to have orchestral tunes. And for a prequel that was about how it all started, I think it was fine to go with something different.

And it’s not like an opening theme is a dealbreaker either way. I always skip the opening credits on the shows where they go for over a minute. I think for people who don’t like ENT (it’s not exactly popular) this is just another notch.

BTW I’m half way through SNW S02 and I’m not tired of its opening. First time ST nailed it in my book.

WhoRoger , 10 months ago

You could’ve always muted the sound.

WhoRoger , 10 months ago

I find it almost bizarre if DS9 isn’t someone’s favourite, unless a) they haven’t watched it, or b) they’re really against grey and murky morality (which a lot of TOS fans apparently are).

That said, I also think Picard S03 was unbelievably horrible. There’s fan service and there’s absolutely mindless trash like this. When I hear about reliving past glories of TNG, I’m thinking episodes like Tapestry or The Inner Light and not something Genesis-level of contrivance.

SNW rehashes everything from older shows, but at least isn’t dumbed down too much.

WhoRoger , 10 months ago

Wdym, Burton has a normal photo and the character is named among the others. Stewart’s picture is from a performance, so also different.

Also funny how you’re complaining about someone not getting named, and you’re just referring to him as a black man.

WhoRoger , 10 months ago

I respect it more, but I still can’t get into it. I find that the feeling they were going for - wild west in space - just doesn’t gel at all with the story of a futuristic utopian Federation and (essentially) a milliary grade ship with professional personel.

There are episodes where it’s one or the other, and not the combination of both, that work the best.

I think the TNG era managed to get away from this weird sense very well while still paying homage. But on ENT it shows how trying to follow in those footsteps can give weird results. All the criticism ENT has gotten is really the result of trying to make sense of TOS.

Ironically, VOY had the most opportunity to run with the wild west theme, and I guess they couldn’t figure it out either. Maybe SNW has, from what I’ve heard.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

Heh. While I get it that some people are more squeamish, I never had a problem with showing stuff like that in ST. I found the extreme sanitisation of older Treks (and other shows/media of those eras) in this regard pretty annoying.

In fact, I still want that Tarantino Trek movie.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

I can see fhat, but I personally find it weird, at least when going back after ENT.

I just don’t quite get why society at some point decided that simulated violence is ok but blood isn’t. It just goes hand in hand…

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

I’m not surprised. While I’ve created quite a corner of an online life for myself here, in the back of my mind there’s always the thought that I’m half a step from being misunderstood and reported, banned, or at least least dumped on.

I’ve encountered a bit too many people here who are paranoid and apparently only looking for the worst in everyone else. And since I’m probably older than average, and from the eastern half of Europe, I’m just more used to using abrasive language sometimes without needing to constantly announcing my tolerance for some particular selection of specific things that happens to be in the news this month. That’s obviously not the preferred vibe here.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

It’s like with most people really. The majority just wants to live their lives in peace, but there’s that small group of militant assholes that make life difficult for everybody.

In this case, they also happen to belong to a disadvantaged group, so in addition to being assholes, they can also accuse other random people of just about anything, and you can’t really say anything against them.

The only possible end result of this is that it will blow up, nobody will be happy and the wave of sympathy can even turn around. Like Amber Heard killed the whole MeToo movement, but it was on its last legs already due to similar shitty people.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

If you’re on the fence and it feels like the only people who listen to you with respect and sympathy are the anti-trans people

This is what people just don’t seem to understand. The “you’re 150% with us and declaring it on every turn, or you’re against us” rule just makes completely normal people end against them.

This really goes for every kind of issue that may come up, not even just for the typical “left-right” feud bullshit.

The thing is, it’s not even required to be nice and keep explaining shit or whatever - there’s always the option on an individual level to just ignore stuff.

Like with the joke in this story - no, you don’t need to be the police to immediately report and flag everything that’s 10% over the line. You don’t need to see red all the time. Just ignore it and move the fuck on, you’re not getting any extra social credits for beings overly sensitive and protective.

The obvious counterargument is “well if you ignore everything, they win”, but that’s still just the same paranoia, the same dividing between us and everyone else, the same overprotectiveness. You don’t have to let everything pass, that doesn’t mean you have to police everything everything either.

Besides there will always be a ton of people willing to do online vigilantism, so you’re really totally fine to just ignore most things and not run to the mod about everything.

It’s like those zero-tolerance policies in some schools (American schools of course, where else) where forgetting a pink plastic water gun or a nail clipper in their backpack can get a 10yo kid arrested and expelled. It’s not helping anything, it’s not addressing the actual problem, it singles out random people as examples, and it just makes everyone hate you.

be careful of ‘whataboutism’ so hey, fun tight rope

If I see someone using the term whataboutism, I know there’s no discussion to be had with them. Another originally sensible word that has been destroyed by overuse. I’ve been accused of whataboutism by just adding some extra information about a game console history. Holy shit. You can tell that person’s entire mission in life is to just scope the internet of any sign of disagreement about anything they find holy, no matter how trivial.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

could have come off as weirdly fetishizing

Another trap one can easily fall to even for just being friendly

don’t really like having to go through someone’s post

If you’re gonna accuse someone of something, then yes you better make some effort to be reasonably sure. This is the other side of vigilantism people don’t like hearing about - accusing everyone of being evil and making everyone just walk on tiptoes around you isn’t really the outcome you want, it will eventually come around and bite you in the ass.

Reporting everything and leaving the police/mods sort it out only works if those police/mods aren’t overly trigger-happy to shoot you on sight.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

If people want to try more dangerous stuff, there’s a holodeck with safety for that. So there isn’t much reason to risk more pain and injury than necessary.

Like now, medical care is still just a backup if the normal means of self-preservation fail. You can never be sure if that stunt will end up with a broken leg or neck, and there’s a thin line between those, even for ST-level docs.

But then there are species that will always push to the brink of survivability, like Klingons or Hirogen.

Ed: but specifically for mild things like skating, that’s more about having your past injuries healed so they don’t “remind” you to not do it again. But again with a hoodeck that’s less of a problem.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

Am I the only one who kinda hates it? Maybe it is that it was made for cinema, where this kind of loud, somewhat obnoxious epic-like theme is expected, but the way how it’s trying to scream “Hey look, this guy is watching Star Trek!” while I’m just trying to chill at night, is pretty annoying.

It’s like when flicking through random TV channels and a loud sex scene comes up.

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

Now that you mention it, I like the TMP more. Maybe it’s just because I’ve heard the TNG theme a trillion times, but compared to TMP… I don’t know, I guess it’s like hearing a 1-minute disco remix of a song you like. The gist of it is there, but it’s not the same and kinda spoils the whole thing.