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Pronell , to Politics in The UAW endorsed Biden — and panned Republican frontrunner Trump as a 'scab'

Trump is no scab - he’d never walk across a picket line.

Drive across in a golf cart, however…

Chainweasel , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

There were 14 days after the riot that he could have used to pardon them and he chose to use that tube to pack up classified documents instead. That’s the talking point I’d start with,
“if he really cared about you then why did he sit on his hands for two weeks instead of signing a blanket pardon?”

PowerCrazy ,

I ask the same about Obama when he sat his hands in 2009 instead of codifying roe v wade, or when he compromised on bodily autonomy for his Heritage Foundation insurance handout.

Dkarma ,

The president doesn’t make laws wtf u smoking?

NovaPrime ,
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Obama is not running. Cheeto is. Try again.

PowerCrazy ,

No but the democrats are, and they also sat on their hands.

HopeOfTheGunblade ,
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The Democrats are inadequately good. The Republicans are actively bad. Lotta daylight between those two states.

NovaPrime ,
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Ok, but that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand. It’s whataboutism

PowerCrazy ,

The election is coming up right? And Democrats are going to run in that election. So if the “talking point” is that Trump didn’t pardon the rioters when he had the chance, therefore he is lying to them, how is it that the democrats promises they broke re:abortion and the environment when they had the chance, not relevant to the topic at hand?

They are lying to you about what you think you are voting for.

NovaPrime ,
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Let’s try it this way. Based on your comment, I understand your argument structure to be like this (correct me if I’m wrong):

Election is coming up > democrats are running in the election > as part of the election strategy democrats are pushing a “talking point” about trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators > trump had the chance to pardon them already but chose not to, so therefore he’s lying to them > democratic party promises they broke re: abortion and environment when they had power are the same type of lie and therefore relevant to the discussion about trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators in the current campaign.

Surely you can see how you’ve had to construct an entirely different argument structure around the actual subject of discussion (trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators) to try and build relevance? But even then it doesnt actually work logically.

Your original response was essentially “but what about Obummer?!” That’s whataboutism. It’s a logical fallacy.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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You act like logic will work on them. You can’t reason people out of ideas they didn’t reason themselves into.

ashok36 ,

The answer is that if he tried to pardon them then the senate would have convicted him in his impeachment and the entire white house legal team would have walked out (along with a lot of other white house staff).

DreamAccountant , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

No it doesn’t. They’re all still traitors, and the courts are reflecting that with hundreds of convictions.

DigitalTraveler42 ,

Your comment doesn’t match the content, nobody is trying to let him lie in this article, it’s just pointing out that Trump and the GOP are pretending these traitors are “political prisoners” and he’s lying to them about pardons and money, he’s not going to give AF about any of these idiots even if ue takes power, unless of course it suits him somehow, like if they have a million bucks they want to trade for their freedom, like how Lil Wayne, Kodak Black and others paid Trump for pardons in Trump’s first term in office.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

… shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

He’s basically making the case for us.

bigkahuna1986 , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

But I thought Antifa was behind Jan 6? /s

some_guy ,

Antifa and the fbi. You forgot the other part.

JoShmoe ,

Aunt Tifa may be able to stir up a lot of shit by herself, but even she isn’t capable of all this.

Nougat , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

He has also hosted fundraisers for a controversial nonprofit group that financially supports Jan. 6 defendants, and campaign finance records show that his political action committee donated $10,000 to the group.

In the days immediately after the Capitol riot, when he was still president, Trump "floated the idea" of a blanket pardon for everyone involved in Jan. 6, ...

... aid or comfort ...

jordanlund , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises
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Offering to pardon people who can’t vote for you because they are convicted felons doesn’t seem like a winning strategery. ;)

NightGaunts , to Politics in This year is set to be a consequential one in U.S. politics

Wish Biden had stepped aside, regardless, I like many, would vote for a piece of lettuce over Trump. Don't get me wrong, Biden has been better than expected, but he is so old!

watson387 , to Politics in Supreme Court to hear abortion pill case
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Here we go. Christians forcing their beliefs on others. Again.

Corkyskog ,

Well don’t they need to destroy the FDA in the process as well?

tryptaminev ,
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like they care. If you die of unsanitary food it is god that wanted youto die and not the corporation that cut on cleaningtheur equipment apropriately.

Caradoc879 ,

This Supreme Court ruling will de facto gut the fda, if I remember right. Basically ruling that the courts get to override the fda.

Remember all the chaos of early covid and conservatives railing against the vaccines because they weren’t FDA approved? Lol guess it was never about it being approved, was it?

Moobythegoldensock , to Politics in House votes to formalize Biden impeachment inquiry

They’ll need to move much faster if they want to impeach Biden 3x by Election Day.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod , to Politics in Poll: Where Republican candidates align with most Americans — and where they don't
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Nothing like an election to make me feel like even more of a weirdo

jordanlund , to Politics in Poll: Where Republican candidates align with most Americans — and where they don't
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Weird they didn’t ask about gun control.

style99 , to Politics in Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House
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Trump is the greatest threat to freedom in this world in this century. Nothing is more important than stopping him and everyone who sides with him from gaining power.

JelloBrains , to Politics in Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House
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Project 2025, Truth Social rants, Day one abuse of power claims... You know, I'm starting to think this so-called Orange Jesus is a bad guy!

WHYAREWEALLCAPS , to Politics in Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House
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