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BrianTheeBiscuiteer , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

… shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

He’s basically making the case for us.

Nougat , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

He has also hosted fundraisers for a controversial nonprofit group that financially supports Jan. 6 defendants, and campaign finance records show that his political action committee donated $10,000 to the group.

In the days immediately after the Capitol riot, when he was still president, Trump "floated the idea" of a blanket pardon for everyone involved in Jan. 6, ...

... aid or comfort ...

jordanlund , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises
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Offering to pardon people who can’t vote for you because they are convicted felons doesn’t seem like a winning strategery. ;)

bigkahuna1986 , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

But I thought Antifa was behind Jan 6? /s

some_guy ,

Antifa and the fbi. You forgot the other part.

JoShmoe ,

Aunt Tifa may be able to stir up a lot of shit by herself, but even she isn’t capable of all this.

Chainweasel , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

There were 14 days after the riot that he could have used to pardon them and he chose to use that tube to pack up classified documents instead. That’s the talking point I’d start with,
“if he really cared about you then why did he sit on his hands for two weeks instead of signing a blanket pardon?”

PowerCrazy ,

I ask the same about Obama when he sat his hands in 2009 instead of codifying roe v wade, or when he compromised on bodily autonomy for his Heritage Foundation insurance handout.

Dkarma ,

The president doesn’t make laws wtf u smoking?

NovaPrime ,
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Obama is not running. Cheeto is. Try again.

PowerCrazy ,

No but the democrats are, and they also sat on their hands.

HopeOfTheGunblade ,
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The Democrats are inadequately good. The Republicans are actively bad. Lotta daylight between those two states.

NovaPrime ,
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Ok, but that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand. It’s whataboutism

PowerCrazy ,

The election is coming up right? And Democrats are going to run in that election. So if the “talking point” is that Trump didn’t pardon the rioters when he had the chance, therefore he is lying to them, how is it that the democrats promises they broke re:abortion and the environment when they had the chance, not relevant to the topic at hand?

They are lying to you about what you think you are voting for.

NovaPrime ,
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Let’s try it this way. Based on your comment, I understand your argument structure to be like this (correct me if I’m wrong):

Election is coming up > democrats are running in the election > as part of the election strategy democrats are pushing a “talking point” about trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators > trump had the chance to pardon them already but chose not to, so therefore he’s lying to them > democratic party promises they broke re: abortion and environment when they had power are the same type of lie and therefore relevant to the discussion about trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators in the current campaign.

Surely you can see how you’ve had to construct an entirely different argument structure around the actual subject of discussion (trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators) to try and build relevance? But even then it doesnt actually work logically.

Your original response was essentially “but what about Obummer?!” That’s whataboutism. It’s a logical fallacy.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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You act like logic will work on them. You can’t reason people out of ideas they didn’t reason themselves into.

ashok36 ,

The answer is that if he tried to pardon them then the senate would have convicted him in his impeachment and the entire white house legal team would have walked out (along with a lot of other white house staff).

DreamAccountant , to Politics in The Trump campaign embraces Jan. 6 rioters with money and pardon promises

No it doesn’t. They’re all still traitors, and the courts are reflecting that with hundreds of convictions.

DigitalTraveler42 ,

Your comment doesn’t match the content, nobody is trying to let him lie in this article, it’s just pointing out that Trump and the GOP are pretending these traitors are “political prisoners” and he’s lying to them about pardons and money, he’s not going to give AF about any of these idiots even if ue takes power, unless of course it suits him somehow, like if they have a million bucks they want to trade for their freedom, like how Lil Wayne, Kodak Black and others paid Trump for pardons in Trump’s first term in office.

NightGaunts , to Politics in This year is set to be a consequential one in U.S. politics

Wish Biden had stepped aside, regardless, I like many, would vote for a piece of lettuce over Trump. Don't get me wrong, Biden has been better than expected, but he is so old!

watson387 , to Politics in Supreme Court to hear abortion pill case
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Here we go. Christians forcing their beliefs on others. Again.

Corkyskog ,

Well don’t they need to destroy the FDA in the process as well?

tryptaminev ,
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like they care. If you die of unsanitary food it is god that wanted youto die and not the corporation that cut on cleaningtheur equipment apropriately.

Caradoc879 ,

This Supreme Court ruling will de facto gut the fda, if I remember right. Basically ruling that the courts get to override the fda.

Remember all the chaos of early covid and conservatives railing against the vaccines because they weren’t FDA approved? Lol guess it was never about it being approved, was it?

Moobythegoldensock , to Politics in House votes to formalize Biden impeachment inquiry

They’ll need to move much faster if they want to impeach Biden 3x by Election Day.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod , to Politics in Poll: Where Republican candidates align with most Americans — and where they don't
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Nothing like an election to make me feel like even more of a weirdo

jordanlund , to Politics in Poll: Where Republican candidates align with most Americans — and where they don't
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Weird they didn’t ask about gun control.

JelloBrains , to Politics in Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House
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Project 2025, Truth Social rants, Day one abuse of power claims... You know, I'm starting to think this so-called Orange Jesus is a bad guy!

WHYAREWEALLCAPS , to Politics in Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House
admiralteal , to Politics in Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House

Imagine being proud of "day 1" oil drilling expansions. "I promise to deliver to the US expensive, polluting energy sources that are destroying the planet even though non-polluting sources already exist, are far, far, far cheaper, and are actively dropping in price even still."

Make America Great Again = return us to the good old days of leaded gasoline and oil crisis.

experbia ,
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well yes, if they don't figure out a way to produce another generation of lead-poisoned brain-addled self-destructive malignant narcissists, the republican party will never survive!

ryathal , to Work Reform in Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

Sweden is a weird place where basically everything is decided by union contracts. There isn’t even a national minimum wage as there’s enough union power that they effectively get one in the contracts. Companies that try to fight it generally end up losing when they can’t do literally anything without a union blocking them.

vrek ,

So when can Sweeden take over the world?

gribodyr ,
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Never

Swedneck ,
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when us nordics can stop being silly and form a union again.

Iron_Lynx ,

Once their brand of unionism is exported to the EU and turned into the norm all over it, I guess they’ll be halfway there.

Dyskolos ,

That’s not weird, that should be normal.

meekah ,
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I think Sweden’s Union culture is especially interesting in the way that they do cross-trade-strikes. Like this article mentions, not only the mechanics who would be affected by the contract are striking. Instead basically anyone providing a service to Tesla stops providing services to them until they submit to the unions. It’s really quite a nice system. I’d seriously consider moving there if it wasn’t so conservative in some other ways…

mundane ,

I usually think of us (swedes) as very progressive. In what way would you consider us conservative?

cikano ,

Could be weed being illegal here, or the increase of xenophobia / right wingers, or both

meekah , (edited )
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Like the other commenter assumed, I am talking about the rise of right wingers and xenophobia. Maybe I just read about it a lot and think it’s worse than it is. Seeing as this is also happening where I live, in Germany, I suppose it really isn’t that strong of an argument.

I do realize you are relatively progressive in a lot of areas like renewable energy, social services etc.

mundane ,

I see the loud right winged racists as a result on how progressive we are. It’s basically a response to us taking in a lot of foreigners a few years ago. Progress is never a straight line.

Swedes are really welcoming to new solutions if they are logical and beneficial.

  • Iso 8601 dates are the norm (yyyy-mm-dd). No weird order or backslashes.
  • Electronic payments are basically the only form of payment.
  • early adoption of high speed internet for most homes.
  • parents get 80% of the salary for 390 days (to share) to stay home with young kids.
meekah ,
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You definitely have a point about progress not being a straight line. I would also like to think we are pretty progressive here in Germany but the recent few years have made me question that. Especially because I don’t really agree with the german right wingers being a direct result of the refugees we took in around 2015. A lot of them are very anti establishment generally, almost on a conspiracy theory level. But nontheless, you are right that no curve can forever go up, even if the trend is headed that way.

I don’t really think the first 3 points are markers of real progress, but I have to agree they are nice aspects of day to day life.

The last part is definitely interesting. I know we have something somewhat similar here in germany, but as always, it is hidden behind a huge wall of bureaucracy. Is that similar in Sweden or us bureaucracy more lenient/easy?

Usul_00_ ,

My experience in Sweden suggest those are a very few online loudmouths, not at all indicative of how a visually diverse group was treated there. In fact, one black American mentioned how awesome it was just to be, and have their skin not be an issue in any wsy.

profdc9 ,

Aren’t cross-trade strikes a consequence of union solidarity? I think large federated unions in other countries engage is similar protests.

meekah ,
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I’m not sure about other countries, but I haven’t heard of anything like that here in germany. To be fair, I’m not even really sure how big unions are here, but I always felt like there is pretty decent coverage. I know there is the IG Metall, which apparently has pretty good coverage of a lot of industrial trades. Then there is ver.di that covers a lot of more office-type jobs, and I think there is another one for train drivers and workers. I have heard of a lot of people in IG Metall, but I’ve also read that the other unions don’t have that many members. Maybe we don’t do cross trade strikes because of that?

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