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regular_human , to Politics in New Roger Stone video exposes how Trump and his lawyers faked distance from the Capitol riots
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This goblin needs to just get into the sea already

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?
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We never should have reopened that black sarcophagus.

cmbabul ,

Or shot that gorilla

Krakova ,

The moon is an ancient alien graveyard. We’ve been cursed since the landing. Moon’s haunted.

Son_of_dad , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?

What the hell country is this, says the headline as if criminals in office was new and unheard of for the u.s

JoMiran , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?
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…nothing has ever been normal in American politics…

American politics have been pretty boring most of my life (I’m 50). Shit got weird with the “hanging chads” but we moved on fairly well. Newt Gingrich and crew were pretty nasty but nothing crazy. Then shit went off the rails with the Tea Party and MAGA.

spaceghoti OP ,

You…didn’t see how Gingrich and company led to Bush and the 2008 financial crash that then led to the Tea Party which is currently rebranded as MAGA?

squiblet ,
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The way the republicans devoted the entire 90s to trying to crucify Clinton was notable. Then insane BS like Rush Limbaugh and the various angry sneerers on Fox. But also, Reagan…. and then back to Watergate, and JFK, and so on. So it’s been nutty for a while.

JoMiran ,
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I didn’t say we weren’t in a slow moving train wreck, but it was all very boring. You know, a definitive lack of insurrection and treason.

spaceghoti OP ,

Ah, in the context of the lack of insurrection, yes. I’m not sure about the lack of treason, given the way Bush & Company blatantly lied to send us to war in Iraq. But I guess one man’s treason is another man’s free speech, right?

Unaware7013 ,

But I guess one man’s treason is another man’s free speech, right?

And we're going to see that same argument in court within the year...

spaceghoti OP ,

Oh, they’ve already made it. And it’s not going to fly.

motorheadkusanagi ,
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The supreme court decided the outcome of a Presidential election and no one batted an eye lash.

That was pretty weird, IMO, and a hint of what was to come.

JoMiran ,
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Yeah, that’s what I meant by the “hanging chads”, but we recovered without going crazy.

motorheadkusanagi ,
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Oh, I think it encouraged the Republicans a lot more than you’re giving credit for.

So it may feel like things didnt go crazy, but I’d argue everything about 9/11 would have been different if Democrats were in office. Probably would not have invaded Afghanistan, for example. Probably wouldve had better handling of the economy leading up to the 2008 crisis.

But with that said, I do understand that for many, it didnt feel like it had a big impact.

grue ,

Shit got weird with the “hanging chads” but we moved on fairly well.

That’s an understatement! People think that Jan 6 was the only coup attempt in the United States since the Business Plot in 1933, but nope: not only should the Brooks Brothers riot count as a coup attempt, it was a successful one!

can ,

not only should the Brooks Brothers riot count as a coup attempt, it was a successful one! °

Not really an “attempt” then is it?

Franzia ,

Thank you! I thought I knew the whole 2000 election story, but here’s a detail I didn’t know.

vettnerk , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?

Pandora should’ve never made that TikTok unboxing video.

SubArcticTundra , (edited ) to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?
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Seems like the US is going through its phase of fascism. It’s not a mistake that the US has much domestic experience with* (unlike most of Europe) so looks like the lesson sadly hasn’t gotten through to a sizable part of the population yet

*I am ignoring a lot of shady 20th century stuff here, but I mean like full on Mussolini fascism

DarkDarkHouse ,
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It would be nice if it were one and done, but what’s happening in Italy again is concerning.

SubArcticTundra , (edited )
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That’s a fair point. I haven’t been watching it closely, but hopefully it’ll pass eventually. Because the populist waves have already passed in a ton of countries, like the UK (soon to come) Poland (again probably soon) Slovenia (already passed), Czechia, Spain(?) or even Brazil. Hopefully it doesn’t get stuck like it did in Hungary.

OsrsNeedsF2P , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

Why were the juror names released? Is that customary?

Arotrios OP , (edited )
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No, it's not. I'm guessing a MAGA that works within the GA court system got hold of the names and published them specifically so they could be targeted and harassed.

EDIT: thanks to @solidgrue for the correction. I spoke too quickly, and didn't have a full understanding of GA law.

FfaerieOxide ,
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No, in Georgia you have to release the names or the indictment is defective.

  • Indictment that failed to show the names of the grand jurors who found the indictment is defective. Willerson v. State, 14 Ga. App. 451, 81 S.E. 391 (1914).

Indictment would have been defective had the indictment failed to show the names of the grand jurors who returned the indictment. Hawkins v. State, 260 Ga. 138, 390 S.E.2d 836 (1990).

HandsHurtLoL , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

If I'm not mistaken, Trump was given very clear orders from the bench not to run his mouth online to disparage any members of the jury, interact with them, or intimidate them. This situation is that Brooklyn 99 meme of Holt saying, "Why did you start intimidating the jury? I specifically requested that you don't."

Lock him up.

RhetoricalRat ,

He knows these judges wouldn't dare hold him in contempt; it would only feed his persecution complex (and his base's) and leave him better off somehow.

Bizarroland ,
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Now he just needs to find a ghostwriter to write his story, because I know he won't do it himself, there's actually a chance he's not literate enough to do it himself, but when he does he should definitely call it "my struggle"

Roundcat , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com
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The Fulton County Sheriff's office announced last week that they were working on tracking down where the threats were coming from and were coordinating with "law enforcement partners to respond quickly to any credible threat and to ensure the safety of those individuals who carried out their civic duty."

The wolves assure me they're not sure how the chickens keep disappearing.

norbert ,
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The call is coming from inside the house!

Treczoks , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

I don't hink that Fultons County Sheriffs Office is the right agency to deal with this threat to the juridical process. This (most likely) crossed state borders and should therefor handled by federal agencies, who happen to have the proper resources, too. One can safely assume that Fultons County Sheriffs Office is not set up to track down some people off the QAnon network.

At least put them down as John Does for "Aiding and Abetting".

Vrabielley , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

There’s no terrorism like Christian love.

btaf45 , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

After seeing mugshot, Crybaby Trump must never ever have the nuclear launch codes again.

xc2215x , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

It is what Trump wants.

IHeartBadCode , to Politics in “I was just following orders”: Ex-prosecutor calls out Trump co-defendants for using “Nazi defense”
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Yeah this ain’t the defense they think it is and it’s crazy their attorneys are attempting it.

Believe it or not, people holding appointed office must follow the law first and not orders. Sometimes cited as a duty to disobey. It’s not always clear cut and if you go with this defense, boy you better hope it sticks with the judge.

Because if not, you’ve basically admitted guilt. And all it takes is one email with you CCed saying “I don’t think this is a good idea.” For a Judge to go, “So why didn’t you research that concern?”

Matches. They’re in a lake of gasoline and they using a defense of matches. Let’s see how that plays out.

TubeTalkerX , to Politics in “I was just following orders”: Ex-prosecutor calls out Trump co-defendants for using “Nazi defense”

Yeah that worked out well for them in Nuremberg...

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