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antidote101 , (edited ) to Men's Liberation in The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggage of being a bloke

... because that's what most women are shopping for in a partner, or worse they're shopping for that AND the opposite at the same time.

It's the same as men who want q wealthy career driven wife who raises the children and is effeminate and submissive.

Everyone wants a super hero who can give them everything. So yeah, both sides want an irrational fantasy character.

BaldProphet ,
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I don't know any men who would choose a career-focused woman over a family-focused one. I don't think this is as much ESH as you make it out to be.

MareOfNights ,

Hi, I'm Mare.
I want that, now you know me (:

BaldProphet ,
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Nice to meet you, Mare. 🙂

TheFriar ,

You’re just discounting the entire portion of people who don’t want families. So more people are looking for others who are independent enough to bring in a second income and live their completely self-sufficient financial life (up until the point they join their financial life, that is) next to themselves.

You’re acting like it’s 1950 where men want a woman to stay home and poo out some tykes, have dinner on the table after we leave our office jobs that support an entire family of four—but in 2024. Where none of that can really exist in this economy. Not to mention, people want different things these days. Sure, there are some retrogressive men, maybe you’re one of them, but the majority are looking for an equal partner.

BaldProphet ,
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You’re just discounting the entire portion of people who don’t want families.

No, I'm simply saying I don't know any men like that personally. I know they exist, of course. It's just that in my circle of influence I only know family-focused men. My whole point was that such men aren't necessarily a rarity, but now I'm starting to think that was the point all along.

Jafoo ,

That description of The 1950s is highly mythological https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminine_Mystique#Criticism

Jafoo ,

"Everyone wants a super hero who can give them everything. So yeah, both sides want an irrational fantasy character"

This is all part and parcel of a larger social ill. For all of the(often justifiable)griping we indulge in, regarding contemporary "Woke Entertainment", Hollywood has been flooding our societal atmosphere with increasingly dysfunctional messaging, for well over 30 years now https://moviesupclose.com/2019/06/09/avengers-endgame-and-the-childishness-of-the-mcu/

As the article points out, this took root with Disney movies in The 90s

autotldr Bot , to Men's Liberation in The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggage of being a bloke

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Far from being overrun with gaggles of enlightened men in clothes covered with baby sick and badges saying “World’s greatest dad”, the father quota is, in my own limited experience, disappointing.

In 1963, The Feminine Mystique, a seminal book by Betty Friedan, helped launch the second wave of feminism by positing that American women faced “a problem that has no name”: they had essentially become typecast as uber-feminine mothers, home-makers, cake bakers and sexual slaves to their husbands.

The question is this: 50 years later, are men facing their own “problem with no name”, a “masculine mystique” which imposes rigid cultural notions of what it is to be male – superior, dominant, hierarchical, sexually assertive to the point of abuse – even though society is screaming out for manhood to be something very different?

Writers, actors and performers, including Robert Webb, Alan Hollinghurst and Simon Amstell, will explore the relentless levels of expectation heaped on men and assess whether this is responsible for statistics that suggest it is truly dismal these days to have a Y chromosome.

Then there are our role models: misogynist presidents, groping politicians, narcissistic sports stars, self-satisfied billionaires, airbrushed actors, heroic superheroes, alpha men, all of them.

Thus far “masculinism” has manifested itself principally in niche areas such as custody law or male victims of violence, or simply as strident misogynist voices pushing back at feminism.


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MysticDaedra , to Work Reform in ‘In the US they think we’re communists!’ The 70,000 workers showing the world another way to earn a living

That's corporate socialism, not communism. As someone who lives in the US, I don't know anyone who would call that communism. I guess?

someguy3 ,

I think the term they used is best: co-operative

WhatsThePoint ,

I live in a red state, it is common to call any collective action communism. It’s common historically for the right to call collective action or ownership communism.

njm1314 ,

You must have a very very very narrow group of people around you.

GreatDong3000 , (edited )

Corporate socialism? Honestly never heard that. Market Socialism is the form of socialism that seeks to have publicly-traded companies abolished and replaced by co-ops. Mixed with state owned companies in the case of natural monopolies and basic services (transport, electricity, education, health, etc).

Market Socialism is very much aligned with OG Marxism, so I see how red-scared people may call it communism.

rimu OP , to Work Reform in ‘In the US they think we’re communists!’ The 70,000 workers showing the world another way to earn a living
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There is a book "From Mondragon to America" which goes into excruciating detail about how it all works. It's not just a few factories there are credit unions, food coops and more all doing business together.

alyaza OP Mod , to U.S. News in UAW secures historic union election win at Tennessee Volkswagen plant
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if it can happen in the South, it can happen in your workplace too! you should start a union--and if you need help to that end, reach out to the AFL-CIO or, if you would prefer a more radical alternative, EWOC

autotldr Bot , to U.S. News in UAW secures historic union election win at Tennessee Volkswagen plant

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Workers at a Mercedes plant in Vance, Alabama are set to vote on whether to join the UAW in mid-May.

Shawn Fain, the UAW president, is also targeting Tesla, whose boss, Elon Musk, has vigorously fought unionization efforts.

The UAW had been expected to win its latest vote given the firm support of workers beforehand, a quick turnaround from filing for the election to holding it, and a changing culture and landscape that has seen the US labor movement and the surge in the UAW’s popularity after its successful strike against the US’s domestic automakers last year.

“The UAW is sending a strong signal that big change may be coming to places where most thought the labor movement was dead and buried,” said professor Sharon Block, executive director of the Center for Labor and a Just Economy at Harvard Law School.

The UAW’s organizing campaign throughout the transplant companies in the south is a bet that workers can’t be bought off so cheaply.

A spokesperson for Volkswagen said in an email ahead of the vote: “We respect our workers’ right to a democratic process and to determine who should represent their interests.


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anarchist , to Work Reform in Shawn Fain, president of the UAW: ‘Workers realized they’ve been getting screwed for decades’
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He should join Sinn Fein

autotldr Bot , to U.S. News in ‘We need more shade’: US’s hottest city turns to trees to cool those most in need

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Still, it was sweaty backbreaking work as they carefully positioned, watered and staked a 10ft tall Blue palo verde and Chilean mesquite in opposite corners of resident Ana Cordoba’s dusty unshaded backyard.

Over the course of three days in early April, arborists planted 40 or so desert adapted trees in Grant Park, as part of the city’s equity-driven heat mitigation plan to create a shadier, more livable environment amid rising temperatures and hundreds of heat-related deaths.

“This is one of the city’s oldest neighborhoods – and one of the most neglected,” said Silverio Ontiveros, a retired police chief turned community organizer who drummed up interest for the tree planting by knocking on doors and putting flyers through every neighbor’s letterbox.

Grant Park is a majority Latino community in south Phoenix situated next to a sprawling electrical substation – a hot and dusty neighborhood with ​​200 or so homes, but no stores and plenty of empty lots and boarded-up houses.

Trees have multiple benefits in urban areas which include cleaner air, improved physical and mental health, water conservation, increasing wildlife habitat, CO2 storage and sequestration and lower temperatures through shade.

The slow progress in improving tree coverage has frustrated many Phoenix residents, and in May, the heat team will present a new master shade plan to the city council, setting out more nuanced data-driven goals for homes, sidewalks and parks to replace the 25% citywide one.


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ArmokGoB , to Work Reform in Shawn Fain, president of the UAW: ‘Workers realized they’ve been getting screwed for decades’

Fuck the UAW. They approved ending grad student strike activity at my university with only 19% approval.

idiomaddict ,

That sucks. Sorry, but why are the grad students represented by UAW?

ArmokGoB ,

I don't know. I thought it was very odd myself.

idiomaddict ,

Yeah, tbh I’d see if you can get a different union to represent you, but it doesn’t look like there’s one union specifically for grad students. (I’m assuming you’re in the US, if UAW was an option)

ArmokGoB ,

I graduated. I tried bringing this up, but no one seems to care that they shaft us. The university puts out a ton of propaganda about how people will be punished for strike activities, and it scares the international students into being scabs because they're scared they'll lose their visas.

idiomaddict ,

Yeah, that’s a shitty situation all around. Just from what you’ve said, I blame the UAW about as much as the international students- it’d be great if the solidarity was there, but it’s natural that their priorities are elsewhere. The school is the real problem, but I definitely get how it’s hard to think so fondly of UAW after that experience.

grue , to Work Reform in Shawn Fain, president of the UAW: ‘Workers realized they’ve been getting screwed for decades’

In Star Trek, Irish reunification and the Bell Riots both occurred in 2024. I used to think that was was a coincidence, but c'mon: you can't have a guy with almost the same name as the Irish nationalist political party who's also an American labor leader without him being the thing that connects the two events somehow!

Anyway, dude's gonna have a busy rest of the year. I wish him luck!

htrayl ,

Welp, civil war, escalating to nuclear war, starting 2026? See you all there.

minibyte , to Work Reform in Shawn Fain, president of the UAW: ‘Workers realized they’ve been getting screwed for decades’

Mr Fain, I’m a UAW member with a 2.5% 401k match. I’m getting a .75 cent raise in July that puts me at $12 an hour.

Please explain to me more about how I’m getting screwed.

stoly ,

I'm confused--do you think that $12/hour is a livable wage? It should be more like $25 - $30.

minibyte ,

No, I do not – and I agree.

Sunforged ,

Do you need any help organizing your co-workers to put up a fight for the next contract?

roofuskit ,

You know unions are democracies right?

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in In the age of relentless online pornography, chatrooms, sexting and smartphones, the way teenage boys learn about relationships has changed dramatically

Okay this whole "sex bad" thing has got to stop, I'm getting sick of it. I thought we were moving past ignorance like that.

kent_eh , to Men's Liberation in In the age of relentless online pornography, chatrooms, sexting and smartphones, the way teenage boys learn about relationships has changed dramatically

Another factor is the increasing focus on work from home, and remote learning.

The less "forced" in-person interaction you have with a wide range of people, the less practice you get in developing the social skills that would be useful in navigating relationships later in life.

CaptObvious , to Men's Liberation in In the age of relentless online pornography, chatrooms, sexting and smartphones, the way teenage boys learn about relationships has changed dramatically

Why are we all talking about a story from 10 years ago? It’s hardly news. And things have changed, at least a little, in the last decade

spaduf OP Mod ,
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Definitely didn't realize this was such an old article. Side note, it's probably also worthwhile to discuss how things have changed in the past decade.

some_guy , to Men's Liberation in In the age of relentless online pornography, chatrooms, sexting and smartphones, the way teenage boys learn about relationships has changed dramatically

There was a kid staying with a relative (I think) in a building across from me and I joked that I’d start blasting hardcore porn on my projector with my blinds up to teach him about the birds and the bees.

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