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The most incredible thing about this is that the video doesn’t seem to be geo-blocked.

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A lot of great bits in this episode.

A Steamrunner class! I love the ships introduced in First Contact. And we even got to see its bridge.

The music! Straight out of Star Trek II.

And the visuals too! Especially the nebula fight, the the Genesis Device glare and the creation of the planet.

The Bomb Defusion Paywall was a nice touch too.

And Boimler did indeed make a great captain.

The ending was a bit rushed though. Neither Mariner nor Boimler had something to say to Tendi? That was a bit weird.

Annotations for *Star Trek: Lower Decks* 4x09: “The Inner Fight” (SPOILERS)

The title is a play on the TNG episode “The Inner Light”, where Picard is hit by a beam from a Kataan probe that makes him live out a lifetime of memories in the space of less than an hour. A similar probe last appeared in LD: “In the Cradle of Vexilon”....

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The shuttle bringing Freeman, Rutherford and Shax to the surface has a profile and colors resembling a Tatooine landspeeder, and the staff handling planetary landings were uniforms resembling Imperial ones and speak in pseudo-British accents.

Also, the background music when that shuttle landed sounded like it came straight from a Star Wars movie.

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I wish there was a version of the calendar with only canon ship classes. Not a big fan of most non-canon designs.

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I mean, DS9 wasn’t as popular as TNG back then – both in terms of ratings and fan reception. Many considered it the black sheep of the Trek family. Berman focused on Voyager. So it was chrystal clear to every fan with even half a brain that DS9 would never get a movie. Perhaps Voyager had a tiny chance but by the time it concluded its run viewership had been in steady decline, and then Nemesis tanked.

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I think you’re not too far off.

Here is an excerpt from The Fifty Year Mission (book 2) by Mark A. Altman and Edward Gross. I highly recommend those books. They are super insightful about the behind-the-scenes stuff from the first 50 years of Star Trek.

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However what I don’t think is justified is the label as one of the worst Star Trek episodes. Is it nuts? Yes. Is it annoying that they have the technology to bring everyone back to Earth and simply de-lizard them after the trip, and then it’s never brought up again? Also yes.

But it’s nowhere near the worst episodes because it’s neither offending and un-Star Trek (like TNG’s Code of Honor) nor is it boring. It’s actually pretty entertaining for the first 35 or so minutes. It just goes off the rails at the end.

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Voyager is alright. It’s just very uneven. What drags it down is that the producers only very rarely took big swings that had a lasting impact on the characters or the show. Voyager excels at being episodic television. There are a bunch of stinkers (as there are on any TV show) but when it’s good, it’s really good. It has some of the best Trek episodes.

Maybe use an episode guide with ratings (for example Jammer’s Reviews, Ex Astris Scientia or IMDb) and skip the episodes with low ratings.

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Friendly reminder that the initial fan reaction before TNG aired was very negative.

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And look how that eventually turned out.

Give the new show a chance before condemning it.

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The reunification of Ireland and Northern Ireland will also take place next year.

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I’m not good with scores so I’ll just explain how I rate Discovery.

Back in the 90s/00s I never understood the hate that some Trek fans had towards a new Trek series. Every time a new series premiered there was a large (or at least very loud) chunk of the fanbase hating on the new series. I liked them all. Some more, some less. But I enjoyed them all for being Star Trek and watched them all countless times. (same goes for LD and SNW)

To put that in perspective:

  1. I still don’t remember the names of all the bridge officers on Discovery.
  2. I only watch Discovery episodes once.

I never felt inclined to rewatch a single episode. It’s not that all of them are bad but there’s just nothing about them that makes me rewatch them. Especially since 90% of them are embedded in season-long story arcs. (same with Picard, although I do plan to rewatch season 1 and 3 at some point)

At first I liked Discovery for trying something new. I’m not one of those fans who wants a new Trek show to do exactly the same thing that other Trek shows have done before. You need to do new things if you want to keep a franchise alive. But when you do season-long story arcs you need a plan. And Discovery didn’t have that. It was quite obvious both in seasons 1 and 2. Season 2 was at least helped by Captain Pike. It’s hard to rate those two seasons because there were so many ups and downs. But in total I’d say the first two season were better than the 3rd and 4th seasons.

Season 3 was a chore to watch. Jumping to the future was like jumping the shark for me. There’s not nearly enough world-building to make that future interesting – and how can there be, when there’s only 13 episodes and all of them are part of a story arc.

Season 4 was okay. I give them credit for doing something big with non-humanoid and really strange aliens. But this story could have been told in the 23rd century with minimal changes. So why again are they in the future?

In short: Discovery is okay-ish but nothing more.

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Lower Decks basically did a pilot episode for that.

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I found the others terrible too but this one was actually funny. I loved how they made fun of “These are the Voyages” at the beginning.

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It’s a bummer that they got rid of the skant so quickly. I wonder if today’s fashion would be different if Star Trek continued to show all genders wearing pants or skirts during the height of its popularity in the 90s. Maybe it would have been somewhat normalized for men to wear skirts too.

Whats your favorite Star Trek season?

Not to be confused with favorite series. I think my favorite season is ENT sesson 4, which is funny because the series overall is def on the weaker end of the spectrum, and i dont think any particular episode of the fourth season is Star Treks very best, its just the season that has more good than bad episodes of any season of...

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My vote goes to DS9 season 2 which is severely underrated. Althouth I like the latter half of DS9 more – mainly because it had Worf in it, and Worf is the best {{:-) – season 2 lay the foundation for DS9’s later success.

The whole season is a huge step up from season 1 which often felt like TNG on a space station. In season 2 the writers began to really try out new things. It starts with a never-before-done 3-part episode, then does some more great world-building in “Cardassians” and “Necessary Evil”, then slowly builds up a mysterious force in the Gamma Quadrant by the name of “the Dominion”, then achieves the feat of making Bashir likeable in “Armageddon Game” upon which his friendship with O’Brien is built, then does a couple of standalone highlights like “Whispers” and “Blood Oath” (in which Kor, Koloth and Kang return! which in today’s crossover-ridden landscape would be just a footnote but back then it was a huge deal), then lays the foundation for the Maquis on Voyager and also does more with the Maquis then Voyager ever will do, oh and in the same episode spells out the show’s leitmotif “it’s easy to be a saint in paradise”, …

… and we’re still not done yet because the rest of the season is a total banger: “The Wire” is a trip into Garak’s psyche, “Crossover” brings back the mirror universe, “The Collaborator” is a big step in making Kai Winn one of the show’s main antagonists, “Tribunal” is the OG O’Brien-must-suffer episode, and “The Jem’Hadar” introduces the Dominion literally with a huge bang by blowing up a Galaxy Class ship. You know, the ship class that we just spend 7 years with and which escaped countless foes unscathed.

Seriously, never skip season 2 on your re-watch. Don’t listen to anyone who says that “DS9 only gets good once the Defiant shows up”. No no no. This is the real deal.

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I agree. The episode isn’t perfect but the first ~35 minutes are decent.

I’ll never understand why it’s considered to be the worst Star Trek episode. Yes, it has a weird ending but Star Trek had plenty of weird episodes (which aren’t considered bad). What I find much worse are episodes like TNGs Code of Honor that are insulting, or episodes that are downright boring like SNWs The Elysian Kingdom.

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BDSM pheromone dungeon

In the subtitles it was spelled “scentuary”. Neat little pun.

UESPA_Sputnik ,
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That’s how Vulcans must have felt during First Contact with humans. 😖

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Here’s one from each show:

TOS: A Piece of the Action, and the more obvious answer The Trouble with Tribbles

TNG: First Contact (the episode, not the movie) had some funny moments, but it’s hard to pick a funny TNG episode

DS9: Little Green Men

VOY: Bride of Chaotica!

ENT: Two Days and Two Nights

DIS: – (did they even have a single funny episode?)

PIC: same as DIS

LOW: pretty much any episode, but my favourites are “wej’Duj” and “I, Excretus”

SNW: Charades (probably the funniest out of all the Live-Action episodes I’ve listed, in terms of outright comedy)

Enjoy!

UESPA_Sputnik ,
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Oh, I forgot about The Nth Degree. That’s a good one.

UESPA_Sputnik ,
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I usually love bad humour. But these Very Short Treks are just terrible.

I do like the TAS animation style though. And that the actual actors are voicing the characters is great too. Everything else … not so much. Bummer. 🙁

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I had to look up who that is. Guess I’m getting old. Is he popular? (I feel like Captain Kirk in Star Trek IV asking “Is that a lot?”)

UESPA_Sputnik ,
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Soooo…the message was that you can’t say anything anymore because people are offended by everything?

I somewhat agree with that but it’s weird that Star Trek sends such a message.

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I grinned like an idiot throughout the first episode because of all the Voyager callbacks but I got the biggest laugh in the second episode when Boimler goes to his new quaters and the room is bright red because of the glowing nacelle. I had to pause because I was laughing so much. For the past ~30 years I always wondered what crew quarters which face towards the nacelles were like. Thank you, Lower Decks.

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Yeah. I’m a huge Worf fan (he is and always has been my favourite Trek character) but that scene does not work for me at all. He doesn’t even sound like Worf here. Riker too sounds totally wooden at the beginning. Not sure if it’s the missing post-production but everything about this scene feels off. It’s a good thing this scene didn’t make the final cut.

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I love SNW but this show is held back by the low number of episodes per season. With 10 episodes it’s just not possible to develop all your characters and still try out weird storytelling ideas. Although some of that is self-inflicted. Nobody forced them to bring on Kirk and Scotty, when they haven’t even managed to give Ortegas something to do in 20 episodes. By season 4 we’ll probably have a junior Doctor McCoy, Ensign Sulu and Cadet Chekov on board, and then it’ll get really crowded.

But back to the topic: I loved the humorous episodes this season but 3/10 is really the maximum amount of funny episodes. On the other hand, I’d love more thought-provoking stuff like “Ad Astra Per Aspera” and “Under the Cloak of War”. 2 out of 10 episodes was not enough for my taste.

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A lot of people criticized Insurrection for being like a two-part episode of TNG (as in: doesn’t feel like a movie). But isn’t that … good? It’s TNG. We got more of TNG. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I like Insurrection. It’s not my favourite Star Trek movie but it’s a damn good movie for being Star Trek. Except, you know, when Picard beams off the exploding vessel and lets the villain die because that’s what Movie Picard does.

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The alien zoo (3rd to last picture) has an [Alfa 177 canine](…fandom.com/…/Unnamed_non-humanoids_(23rd_century…). 😁 I love those obscure references.

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Interesting. For me it only works with the backslash. (I use Sync for Lemmy)

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Yeah, I just did that.

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Does anyone know if they, or another company, (will) produce a replica of the NCC-1701 from Strange New Worlds?

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Is this podcast worthwhile? Are there any new insights into 90s Trek that we didn’t have before? I’m asking because 1½-2 hours per episode is a bit too long for my taste, so I’d only listen to it if it’s really good.

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I’ve been a Star Trek fan since I was in primary school, back when TNG originally aired. (my favourite is DS9) I love Strange New Worlds. It has reignited my love for Star Trek, even more than Lower Decks already did.

And I can’t say this often enough: I have a friend who grew up with TOS when that originally aired. And he never really liked any Star Trek that was produced after 1969. But he too loves Strange New Worlds. It’s a great amalgam of TOS (by being episodic and not taking everything too seriously), 90s Trek (by tackling important societal issues here and there, and being really serious when it needs to), and modern Trek (the production quality and the storytelling).

Also, the entire cast is super talented. Personally, I’d say that Christina Chong is the breakout star because she’s always giving everything, even if she’s just there for a quick reaction shot. But it’s hard to pick because they are all so good.

The only thing that bugs me is that they barely have the time to do something with all of their characters (with only 10 episodes per season) but keep adding new characters to the ensemble.

tl;dr - yeah, it’s a great classic Star Trek show mixed with modern elements

How Many Star Trek Episodes Pass the Bechdel Test? (TOS to ENT) | The Mary Sue ( www.themarysue.com )

I found this after reading and responding to this post here about early Trek fans’ prejudicial negative reaction to TNG. One of my responses (see here) was to point out that any fans of the progressiveness of Trek ought to have been mindful of the room for improvement over TOS, with female representation being an obvious...

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I’m surprised that the rates are as high as they are. TOS had only 1 female character in the main cast. TNG (after Tasha left), DS9 and ENT only had two. So disregarding any guest characters the female main characters don’t have a lot of choice of whom to talk to, if they want to pass the test.

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If you’re not just looking for novels I would like to highly recommend two non-fiction books: “The Fifty-Year Mission: The first 25 years” and “The Fifty-Year Mission: the next 25 years” by Mark A. Altman and Edward Gross. The books tell the oral history of Star Trek up until 2016. They consist entirely of interview snippets from cast and crew, sorted chronologically and thematically. It’s a super interesting look behind the scenes.

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Nobody dislikes Star Trek as much as Star Trek fans.

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I loved the colony design. It kinda makes sense. There’s an endless number of planets out there, so why not found a colony for your weird LARP phantasies? “Hey, you wanna join my colony reminiscent of Victorian England? There’d be bustle skirts, butlers and bat’leths.”

I had a feeling right from the urgency of the first minutes that they were setting this episode up as SNW’s version of “The Best of Both Worlds”. And the elements are certainly there. A superior enemy. A plan to fool them with technobabble. A crewmember held hostage – just this time it’s split up between Captain Batel being infected, and La’an, M’Benga and Kirk (and colonists) captured. And a cliffhanger. I had hoped that they wouldn’t do cliffhangers in this show – especially season-ending cliffhangers when we don’t even know when the next season will air. (2025 maybe?) Or if they did it then at least do it DS9 style where it’s more like a teaser of things to come instead of an actual cliffhanger.

Oh well, at least they didn’t kill off Batel immediately, and I hope they won’t do it in season 3. I’d like to see more of her and of her relationship with Pike because I think it’s a really interesting relationship dynamic for a Starfleet captain to have a truly equal partner.

I’m not quite keen on the physics in this episode. Would the Gorn really be fooled by the Cayuga’s saucer suddenly “naturally” accelerating towards the planet from the orbit of its moon? That already bugged me in Star Trek Into Darkness when the ship suddenly “fell” towards Earth. Yes, this is a Science Fiction show but they could really use a science advisor for this basic stuff.

Finally, I wonder if every season will bring in another TOS cast member, and who will be next. Sulu? (he’d be an astroscientist though, unless they ignore the 2nd TOS pilot episode) Cadet Chekov? Bones? Janice Rand?

This all sounds a bit negative but I actually enjoyed the episode. It wasn’t the best episode of the season but still above average. I just hope that season 3 will come rather sooner than later.

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Seeing that every one that will not be in TOS is now in Gorn hand’s I think we already know why.

M’Benga and Sam Kirk show up in TOS though. The only one in danger is La’an. (and I’d be pissed if something happened to her because I think that Christina Chong is a super strong actor, and possibly the breakout star of this show)

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Oops, you’re right. Ortegas is there too. I completely forgot about her since she got Travis-Mayweather’d so much this season.

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Or maybe Batel becomes their version of Locutus, to somehow communicate with them.

To be honest I’m still undecided whether I want the Gorn to stay this unstoppable force of horror, or to find a Trek-style form of coming to some sort of peace agreement. In that aspect I liked how Admiral April tried to keep Pike in check at the beginning of the episode.

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Plus some of the star dates for s2 episodes that starred Chekov where set before the star date for Space Seed.

Stardates in TOS (and SNW) are just random numbers. You can’t extrapolate anything from them.

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Paramount+’s Star Trek: Strange New Worlds / Season 2 Finale Episode Screening - The 92nd Street Y, New York

If you're in the New York City area, you could possibly see the season finale early and on the big screen.

https://www.92ny.org/event/paramount-s-star-trek

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At least. With the strike(s) going on it could be even longer. Though I presume that the studios will try to pump out new content as quickly as possible once productions are possible again.

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It works for me. Maybe it’s an international licensing problem? (I’m in Germany)

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I would somewhat agree with you if we were just talking about ranking Star Trek episodes specifically. If Subspace Rhapsody is among the worst Star Trek episodes you’ve ever seen, then sure, give it a 1. That makes sense on Star Trek specific review websites like jammersreviews.com.

But we’re talking about IMDb which ranks all TV shows and all movies, so the ranking scale encompasses everything you’ve ever seen on screen. And now tell me again with a straight face that a well-produced well-written well-acted show ranks in the same 1-star category as the worst non-scripted reality trash TV you’ve ever seen.

Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x09 "Subspace Rhapsody"

LoglineAn accident with an experimental quantum probability field causes everyone on the USS Enterprise to break uncontrollably into song, but the real danger is that the field is expanding and beginning to impact other ships—allies and enemies alike....

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