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mrbigmouth502 , to Linux in Oh, my old nemesis, mounting secondary drives under Linux.
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I've gotten used to adding extra drives in fstab, myself. I do wish adding permanent secondary drives was a more straightforward process though. I understand the Windows approach of making them instantly accessible has security implications, but I feel like that's something distros could implement as an optional setting.

I think little things like this hinder Linux adoption among end users. The purists may cry foul at this idea, but I think there should be more and better GUIs for system management tasks, so users don't have to use the terminal or muck around editing text files as much.

EDIT: Apparently gnome-disk-utility might be a solution if you're looking for something more straightforward than manually editing fstab. I don't know whether it can do permanent mounts or not though.

EDIT2: Turns out gnome-disk-utility can create fstab entries, but it can't remove them if you've used it to delete a partition.

redcalcium , to Linux in Oh, my old nemesis, mounting secondary drives under Linux.

Just some tip: if you’re not comfortable editing /etc/fstab directly, use gnome-disk-utility app to edit mount options from GUI.

mrbigmouth502 ,
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Can gnome-disk-utility set up permanent mounts? I've used it for other things before, but I've never used it to permanently mount a drive. If so, I wish I knew about that sooner.

redcalcium ,

Yes, if you check the “mount at system startup” checkbox, it’ll update fstab for you. My only problem was when deleting partitions on gnome-disk-utility, it doesn’t automatically delete the fstab entries it previously created. You’ll need to manually clean it up yourself. This might cause mount problem if you delete and recreate the partition with the same mount settings because there are now two fstab entry, where the first entry references partition that no longer exist.

mrbigmouth502 ,
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Good thing to be aware of. I usually edit fstab manually anyway, but this is worth knowing if I'm helping someone out.

Hyacathusarullistad , to men in Welcome to /m/men!
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Re: your stance of feminism and its role in the betterment of the lives of men.

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the primary problem at the core of most issues facing men today is the narrow, unrealistic, and frankly unhealthy image of masculinity that our society expects us to strive for. And I have to imagine that the (or at least a) goal of any sensible male advocacy group would be to push back against the notion that a man who doesn't meet this single societal ideal of manliness has failed to be a man.

However, I also don't think it can be dismissed as coincidence that so many of the words used to belittle men and boys who behave in ways they're not "supposed" to imply femininity.

"Don't be such a pussy."

"That guy's a little bitch."

"Haha, he cried like a girl!"

Would you not agree that one of the most powerful ways to go about robbing these types of sentiments of their power over young boys is to help feminists destigmatise simply being a girl or a woman? Most issues facing men aren't because women are being given advantages, but because men face the disadvantage of not being allowed to adopt roles or attitudes deemed beneath us — just as women are not allowed to adopt roles and attitudes deemed beyond their place.

I firmly believe that feminism, if truly successful, will allow men the freedom to be who and what they want to be because "masculine"/"feminine" will no longer equate to "good"/"bad" or "strong"/"weak".

a-man-from-earth OP ,
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How could feminism in any way give men "the freedom to be who and what they want" when they portray men as the problem? Feminism is toxic to healthy masculinity and healthy gender relations.

grahamsz ,

I think you are conflating men as a group with men as individuals. I think Russia is terrible, but I've met many lovely Russian people.

While I can't speak for feminists, I think when they say "men are the problem" that's shorthand for a system that generally pays men more, expects them to take on less domestic responsibilities, allows them to vote away women's rights, and all of the other longstanding injustices.

KevinRambutan ,

The difference between feminism (or even feminists) and men is that the former is a movement or a chosen label, while the latter is not something one can choose to be. So when you generalize the latter (“men are pigs”, “men are responsible for the world’s problems”, or even “Kill All Men”), it really comes across as outright hateful. At least more so than criticizing a movement (feminism) or generalizing feminists (although I don’t believe in doing that too). Seriously, if you were to replace “men” with “blacks”, or even “women” in feminist drivel, you’d be (rightfully) called out for spreading hate. For how much feminism pushes inclusivity and careful, considerate use in language (think: using ‘police officer’ instead of ‘policeman’), when it comes to men, they just give fuck all.

And for the ‘wage gap’, it should really be renamed the ‘earnings gap’ as for the same amount and type of work, men and women are generally paid the same. The main reason there’s a gap is that men generally work more and in higher paying fields. Now why they choose to do so is certainly worth discussion, but to frame it as men being paid more with the insinuation that they both do the same amount of work, is disingenuous.

Men taking on less domestic responsibilities is part of gender roles, no? In exchange they are expected to earn more by working more. Not to mention when you say domestic responsibilities, I doubt you include male dominated tasks like mowing the lawn, or fixing the car. Again, framing it as one-sided privilege (‘men have the privilege of doing less house work”) is disingenuous. I don’t think housekeeping or child-rearing, which is female-dominated, is a walk in the park either, for reference.

If you believe the system allows specifically men to vote away women’s rights (abortions I believe?), and that men shouldn’t have a say in that. Do you also believe women shouldn’t have a say in voting on issues like Selective Service or even conscription, in some countries, that primarily or uniquely affect men? Furthermore, in many countries, women are outright born with the right to vote, whereas men have to sign up for Selective Service or Conscription (what happened to ‘My Body, My Choice’?)

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a-man-from-earth OP ,
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I think you are conflating men as a group with men as individuals.

I don't, but most feminists do.

I think when they say "men are the problem" that's shorthand for a system

Then they should blame society, not men as a group. Most men don't have any more influence on the system than most women do.

And what do you think constant negative messaging about men as a group being the problem does to the minds of boys growing up? Are you surprised many of them go down the alt-right radicalization pipeline?

a system that generally pays men more

I don't know where this is true, but certainly not in Western countries, where such discrimination by gender is illegal.

expects them to take on less domestic responsibilities

More a question of expecting men to take on different domestic responsibilities, on top of expecting men to be the primary providers.

allows them to vote away women's rights

Instead, men overwhelmingly voted for granting women equal rights.

and all of the other longstanding injustices

You mean injustices such as conscription, age of retirement, homelessness, etc?

grahamsz ,

I don't, but most feminists do.

Most of the feminists I know are straight and either married or partnered - they clearly don't hate all men. Some maybe do, but I don't think it's the majority.

I don't know where this is true, but certainly not in Western countries, where such discrimination by gender is illegal.

I'm in the US and it's absolutely endemic. Women still make significantly less than men on average and gender discrimination is baked right into jobs. My city starts teachers at $56k and police officers at $70k - one of those jobs requires a GED and the other requires a Bachelors degree. Even with a Master's teachers can make as little as $61k - and that's entirely because it's traditionally a "women's job". Can you name any male dominated field where most workers have a master's degree and make that little?

Europe's maybe a little better, but there's still no country where women outearn men - if there really was equality there you'd expect to see that look more like a bell curve.

a-man-from-earth OP ,
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Most of the feminists I know are straight and either married or partnered - they clearly don't hate all men.

Most feminists collectivize men as "the patriarchy" and hold them collectively accountable for a host of societal problems. And whenever an individual man misbehaves, they often immediately link that back to the patriarchal collective.

You may not recognize that as hate, but what is effectively the difference?

Women still make significantly less than men on average

Not for the same job with the same responsibilities, working the same hours. If women want to make the same or more than men, then they can step up and do the same jobs for the same hours as men.

My city starts teachers at $56k and police officers at $70k

Even taking school shootings into account, one of these jobs is significantly more dangerous than the other and requires shift work. And again, if women want to make more money, then they should become police officers instead of teachers... Who's stopping them?

there's still no country where women outearn men

That's because men are still expected to be the primary providers. And unfortunately that's not something easily changed. Most women expect that, and feel ill at ease when roles are reversed. Do you really want to force women into dangerous or strenuous high-earning jobs? Or maybe we can respect our men more who bring home the bacon, so to say?

RandoCalrandian ,
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I wish it was more surprising to me that this person genuinely went to "This female dominated field starts at less pay than this entirely different male dominated field, wymyn are swo oppwessed!"

vlakas ,
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"and that's entirely because it's traditionally a "women's job"

citation?

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  • vlakas ,
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    Until just now I read your name as RandoCanadian :laughing-emoji:

    RandoCalrandian ,
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    I'm ok with this :D

    vlakas ,
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    Exactly. Of course men in their 50s-70s will outearn women because that's how things were in the past. The future is clearly shown by how much money 20 year olds are making. The only reason young women are making less is because they choose to stop working and have a kid (And yes, men are pressured to have kids too).

    RandoCalrandian ,
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    but men are pressured to work even harder to support that kid

    Male workers having children then becomes an economic benefit, as the man has to work harder

    Female workers having children is an economic loss, as the worker stops working entirely.

    From an financial point of view, anyways

    Another reason why i'm all pro WFH policies. It gets men back in constant contact with their children and makes all the excuses a woman might make to not have to work anymore really weak.

    grahamsz ,

    Curious where you are seeing that - the closest age group I see are 16-19, but even then men are slightly ahead.

    https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/average-salary-by-age/

    It certainly does appear to be narrowing, and it'll be interesting to see if the teenagers of today manage to hold such a narrow gap as the decades go by.

    vlakas ,
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    The government of Russia ≠ the people of Russia. Men are just a gender. There is no government of men. When you say "men are the problem", you are talking about individual men and men as a whole.

    Society also expects men to earn more and ties their value to how much wealth they have. Women play a part in this too just as men do. It also expects men to take on more responsibilities outside of the house.

    There are as many injustices against men as there are against women. What happened with Roe v. Wade being overturned is terrible, but when it happened people actually cared for women's wellbeing. Including myself.

    Where is the outrage over any of the injustices that men face (the draft, male genital mutilation, exclusion from homeless/DV shelters, family court, etc.)? There is none, because when women are victims of injustice people care; conversely when men are victims no one cares.

    At worst, feminist literature will try to ignore male victims to make DV seem like a gendered crime, taking away services from men, and make out so-called male victims as abusers in disguise (like the book "Why Does He Do That?").

    grahamsz ,

    The government of Russia ≠ the people of Russia. Men are just a gender. There is no government of men. When you say "men are the problem", you are talking about individual men and men as a whole.

    Obviously you are technically correct, but I still think many feminists use "men" as a shorthand for the broader male-dominated system. If I say "I love the way women smell" I really don't need to clarify that I probably don't mean all women in all situations, it's kinda obvious.

    Where is the outrage over any of the injustices that men face

    That's a logical fallacy. There probably should be more outrage about those things, but that doesn't change the initial situation.

    RandoCalrandian ,
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    And that reveals their blatant sexism and focus on female supremacy

    If i used "women" as a shorthand for a broader female-dominated system of oppression against men (like how feminism very much behaves), people might physically attack me. We have to reiterate repeatedly that feminism != women because feminism does some very nasty sexist genocidal things and blaming all women for those things would be as silly as blaming all germans for the actions of the nazi's

    They don't make that distinction against men because they're actively trying to attack men, and so want all of those 'miscommunications' and 'oh i didn't mean it that way even though thats absolutely what i said' bullshitery so they can hide how outrageously sexist they are being while pretending not to be.

    That's a logical fallacy. There probably should be more outrage about those things, but that doesn't change the initial situation.

    It's 'funny' how you are perfectly capable of seeing this logical fallacy.... until you're doing it yourself.

    The fallacy you are claiming they are making is the same one you made yourself when you waltzed in here and made it all about how hard things are for women.

    grahamsz ,

    They don't make that distinction against men because they're actively trying to attack men, and so want all of those 'miscommunications' and 'oh i didn't mean it that way even though thats absolutely what i said' bullshitery so they can hide how outrageously sexist they are being while pretending not to be.

    Perhaps there's some truth to that, though in my circles i hear a lot more about the patriarchy than complaints about men in general.

    The fallacy you are claiming they are making is the same one you made yourself when you waltzed in here and made it all about how hard things are for women.

    I suppose i'm trying to defend a position that's not my own, and yeah, using "men" to describe a system created by some men to advantage all (or at least white) men in a broad way is absolutely sexist - but it's hardly the main issue here.

    RandoCalrandian ,
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    The patriarchy is a code word

    It means "men having power, or free of power women hold"

    And if you run into the right ones, the mask comes off entirely. Just look at the production of The Power and you'll get plenty of great examples of misandry on display, proudly.

    I suppose i'm trying to defend a position that's not my own, and yeah, using "men" to describe a system created by some men to advantage all (or at least white) men in a broad way is absolutely sexist - but it's hardly the main issue here.

    the system wasn't created to advantage men, otherwise feminism wouldn't have happened.

    The system was created to advantage the wealthy and powerful, and keep them that way. That they were white or male is incidental. Any other race or gender in that position can and will create the same problems.

    Saying something ridiculously sexist like "There wouldn't be wars if society was run by women" or any other similar forms such as "the future is female" is just as braindead stupid as someone saying:
    "Racism would disappear if X was run by Y people"

    It's not the color or gender of the people, it's the incentive that the positions of power create to subjugate others.

    Feminists actively promote the idea that just having women in power solves problems, and that is a blatantly stupidly sexist idea to believe.

    grahamsz ,

    Saying something ridiculously sexist like "There wouldn't be wars if society was run by women" or any other similar forms such as "the future is female" is just as braindead stupid as someone saying:
    "Racism would disappear if X was run by Y people"

    True, but women make up the majority of the population in the US, and so in an equal society we'd expect them to make up a very slight majority of fortune 500 CEOs, congressional representatives, supreme court justices and presidents. Whether or not you think that'd make a real difference in the world doesn't change that it's a perfectly legitimate goal and I don't think it's one that's particularly sexist.

    If you were to argue that you should have more women in those roles to make up for the historical injustice... that becomes a bit less clear as it would create a situation where present day men are disenfranchised to make up for the mistakes of our forefathers.

    RandoCalrandian , (edited )
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    so in an equal society we'd expect them to make up a very slight majority of fortune 500 CEOs, congressional representatives, supreme court justices and presidents

    Well that's a load of bullshit.

    You're treating all of those things as if they were a lottery, and women simply weren't considered.

    They're not. ANY OF THEM

    Every one of those positions has an army of men competing to be the next one in the seat. Ignoring all of that because you feel like women should have made it is just stupid.

    Here's the facts for you: Even with blatant discrimination in women's favor, they still don't get into all the "positions of power" people try to cheat them into because those positions often still require work women by and large choose not to do

    Work like taking risks, or being in the public eye and taking responsibility for failures that may not be your fault. Both things women avoid at far greater rates then men.

    Edit:

    And to be very clear, i'm not saying women can't, I'm saying they don't, won't, and will continue not to, in anywhere near the numbers men do, simply due to their personal choices.

    This is why the focus on 'equity' is so fucking toxic. It's basically saying "all power in society should be evenly distributed, i was able to twist data around enough that it i can show a way women have less (ignoring all ways in which men have less), and unless women have all power that men have in equal rates, it's sexism!" and most of the people who say this with a straight face know full well it's impossible and the purpose of framing it this way is so they can continue to advocate for free shit, in perpetuity

    grahamsz ,

    women by and large choose not to do Work like taking risks, or being in the public eye and taking responsibility for failures that may not be your fault.

    do you have a source for that?

    RandoCalrandian ,
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    Many, but female aversion to physical and social risk is a broadly studied field that you are perfectly capable of searching yourself, and especially with the prevalence of cherry-picked studies i feel it's better you find one from a source you trust on your own.

    grahamsz ,

    I looked and literally everything that comes up suggests the opposite.

    https://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/news/2016/why-so-few-women-hold-positions-of-power.html
    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/01/14/chapter-3-obstacles-to-female-leadership/

    Suggesting that the perfect attributes required to lead a major company just happen to coincidentally be those that are bestowed on white men is absurd. I don't see much point in continuing this discussion.

    RandoCalrandian , (edited )
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    wow, guess i should have specified search terms

    Did they include any of the following that you clearly did not use: female physical social risk aversion?

    Here's an excerpt from a first page result from just those:

    We find the extremely robust result that women are more risk averse than men

    Strong Evidence for Gender Differences in Risk Taking

    Edit:

    Suggesting that the perfect attributes required to lead a major company just happen to coincidentally be those that are bestowed on white men is absurd.

    Or that women specifically preference men who exhibit these traits, rewarding them with sex and status in ways that women generally are not and have not been rewarded for since our species first started to walk might relate to the skills necessary for success in a competitive field.

    As it turns out, reality doesn't care about your delusions, or how unfair you feel it is

    I don't see much point in continuing this discussion.

    Of course you don't, that's what people who are wrong usually do.

    a-man-from-earth OP ,
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    Obviously you are technically correct, but I still think many feminists use "men" as a shorthand for the broader male-dominated system.

    And that shows their bigotry, which we are calling out.

    Where is the outrage over any of the injustices that men face

    That's a logical fallacy.

    No, it's not. Calling it a logical fallacy is bigotry. Outrage over any of the injustices that men face is a human rights issue.

    kilgore_trout ,
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    In Western countries like most of the European ones, men and women receive equal pay for equal jobs.

    Families already share responsibilities equally (fair, not everywhere; I can speak for the north of Italy), and women feel free not to engage with boyfriends who are not up to that.

    Finally, in the US it’s mostly women who are voting against women’s childbirth rights.

    grahamsz ,

    I haven't spent much time in the north of Italy but we have some suppliers there and every single one of the engineers at the one I worked with was male. I don't doubt they have equal pay for the same job, but I don't believe for a minute that the average women in northern italy makes the same as an average man.

    As for voting, there was only one woman on the supreme court that voted to overturn roe vs wade. The rest of the votes came from men

    a-man-from-earth OP ,
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    Nobody is stopping them from going for higher paying jobs or working more hours. But it's not expected of women like it's expected of men.

    grahamsz ,

    Right but one thing I really admired about that italian company was that they'd bring on engineers as apprentices right out of high school and train them on software or machining. I think that'd really admirable, and it's great that people can work their way into high paid positions.

    But i still fail to see why an engineer with a high school education should be paid more than a nurse or teacher with some college education. Is the former really that much of harder job, or that much less in demand?

    kilgore_trout ,
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    This is a class problem, not gender. Join us.

    elouboub ,
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    Friend, I think you're already falling into the "us vs them" mentality. We should be able to separate the loud, misandrist, "men are the problem, women are the solution", feminists from the "we're equal before the law, but I still perceive inequality and something should be done about it", passive feminists.
    That is what is done to MRAs who were just saying "men have issues too, here are some" and being labeled as misogynist, radical, dangerous, and incel (which also shouldn't be an insult, much less one exclusive to men).

    Each community has their loud, obnoxious members, but they shouldn't be representative of that community unless the community is mostly loud and obnoxious itself.

    As such, I'd like to challenge your view that feminism is the problem and propose that it has much more to do with tradition and religion. Men and women alike face irreconcilable gender roles, prejudice, and traditional and societal obligations, that lead to their oppression:

    • men should work, women should clean
    • men and women should make children
    • men should not show emotions, women are too emotional
    • men should protect women, women are the damsels
    • a man should sleep with a woman, a woman should sleep with a man

    The issue is much deeper than simple "women say men are the problem, which is the problem". Tribalism, identity-politics, and myopic, single-viewed, unidirectional thinking is toxic.

    Mshuser , to men in why i think that men dont align with feminism and the left at large

    I don't know much about Jordan Peterson. I had help from other figures before I discovered peterson personally. Aba and preach I've seen a lot of their channels and I like how nuanced they are with their takes. Of course I don't agree with all of them, but they were the first dudes who got me on the right mental track.

    Heresy_generator , to Politics in US supreme court rules against affirmative action in Harvard and UNC cases
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    Oh good, they finally legally mandated color blindness. Historic and pervasive systemic racism is solved once and for all thanks to the Supreme Court issuing an edict that it shouldn't exist. Huzzah!

    They should legally mandate the nonexistence of poverty next. They can solve all the problems America has in a few weeks this way.

    DiachronicShear , to men in why i think that men dont align with feminism and the left at large

    This whole post can be summarized by: "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".

    The Left (I myself identify as a Leftist) behaves the way they do (again, ideologies are not monoliths) generally because, essentially, Men have always been in power, have shaped society, and have benefited from this shaped society since the dawn of time. Yes this is the Patriarchy. In our patriarchal society, women are objectified and sexualized from a young age, with the cat-calling and sexual harassment starting in the teen years or younger. 1 out of every 6 women in america have been the victim of sexual assault/rape. I myself have several female employees that have been the victimized by this, and one of them even said that her mother told her "if you were in a relationship with him it can't be rape".

    When men complain about Men's Rights/Inequality, it sounds a lot like the rich complaining that workers want higher wages in an age of record corporate profits. "Crocodile Tears" often sums it up. When a man complains about a perceived slight, expecting everyone to drop everything to help him, it's hard to do that when what that man has experienced is just a fraction of what you go through constantly.

    Leftists and feminists calling for equality does not make the life of the oppressor worse. It just means things will be equal. Men saying "it's not fair" rings hollow when men have been oppressing women for millennia, and all women want is to be treated equally.

    oh and denigrating Jordan Peterson is good. He is someone actively funneling people towards facscism and nazi-ism. Men need someone promoting Positive Masculinity, not telling men that a woman being mean to them means all women are evil. He's like the king of the incels and if you look up to him you need to seriously re-examine your life.

    Mshuser ,
    1. The patriarchy has never existed in north American history. Most of the gendered oppression have been caused by the monarchy, specifically coverture practices. We had kings and queens (both of whom who have equal powers to create laws before it got taken away). You're also using the apax fallacy to judge men as a whole by the actions of a few men and women in power who are in the minority. The only reason we consider it a patriarchy is due to patriarchy theory (most positions in power are held by men, therefore men oppress women) which is not only rooted in apax fallacy, it's designed to encourage misandry on a societal level.
    2. Feminism has never been about equality. Many 'proto-feminists' such as Mary Wollstonecraft who actually written books about the rights of women and men never called herself a feminist. It was academic feminists from 1848 and onwards who claimed them as such. The ideology of feminism where it classifies men as the oppressor class of women (thanks Elizabeth cady staton) and developing concepts such as the patriarchy theory (kate miller, andrea dworkin and the like) that IS misandry, yet it gaslight everyone into thinking it's about equality.

    "Men saying "it's not fair" rings hollow when men have been oppressing women for millennia, and all women want is to be treated equally." Rich people in power have been oppressing everybody else for millennia of history, it just shows up differently based on gender. That's how these things have always been.

    Dwayne-Payton879 OP ,

    I never said that I like Jordan Peterson but emotional vulnerability from a man you disagree with isn't worthy of denigration.

    Also what about all of the men who have been oppressed over the years alongside these women? All the men that have been treated differently?

    Also when men complain about any issue, there is someone like you chiming in saying this kinda stuff.

    TinyPizza , to Politics in US supreme court rules against affirmative action in Harvard and UNC cases
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    Clarence Thomas is one of the more startling examples of the "fuck you, I got mine" generation. How do you go from being in the black panthers to this?

    Edit: Grammar

    nobodylikesyou ,

    I love this, as soon as the black guy makes an opinion that differs from what you liberals agree he's suddenly not a good black dude, what a bunch of hypocrites

    Entropywins ,
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    What the fuck... dudes a bad human ... plain and simple... has nothing to do with being black

    nobodylikesyou ,

    Oh so he's a bad human because he decided that race shouldn't be taken in account for college admissions? how racist of you

    Entropywins ,
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    If you intentionally choose to completely misinterpret and misrepresent things then fuck off buddy, on the other hand if you truly can't see then I feel sorry for you friend...

    basedtheorem , to Linux in Help me find a fitting distro
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    I was in a similar situation; I was a windows power user and I jumped straight into nixos. I do not recommend it for someone completely new to linux.

    Having to deal with new concepts and confusing terminology like window/display/login managers, a new file system, bash, desktop environments, etc., and then having to learn nix (my first dive into a functional language), nixpkgs, NixOS, AND all the noise surrounding flakes was incredibly frustrating. After a week I gave up and jumped ship.

    I played around with void linux for a bit (followed jake@linux's playlist on YT, it's a fantastic guide), had a blast ricing my desktop, got comfortable running without a desktop environment, then went back to nix a month later. By that point I was familiar enough with linux and just had to learn the nix ecosystem (still difficult, but bearable).

    Things started to click, especially once I had read the nix pills in its entirety. Now with my entire system configured with flakes I just can't see myself ever going back :>

    I never tried the beginner friendly distros like mint or ubuntu so I can't comment on them, but I was really happy with void. Yes it's doesn't hold your hand, but it very quickly taught me a lot about how everything fits together. I'm sure arch provides a similar experience.

    EnglishMobster , to RedditMigration in Hot take: 18 years of user contributions to reddit will serve as a base model for an AI that generates content and conversations. the reddit experience continues as a simulation, to harvest clicks, sales and ad revenue.
    @EnglishMobster@kbin.social avatar

    This is already happening.

    Bots are being used to astroturf the protests on Reddit. You can see at the bottom how this so-called "user" responds "as an AI language program..."

    rynzcycle ,

    Oh wow, that's simultaneously hilarious, awesome, and terrifying.

    Bonehead ,

    ...and fake. The "AI" user admits further down that they are just trolling.

    Empyreal ,

    Or its another form of a human-monitored bot account. Those have existed for years

    Or its just another bot response. I've had arguments with bots that I have banned from my subreddit before. Some of their response mechanisms are quite creative.

    Arotrios ,
    @Arotrios@kbin.social avatar

    Holy fucking shit I'm dying. That's fucking hilarious.

    I now want to make a bot that detects bots, grades their responses as 0% - 100% bot, posts the bottage score, and if they determine bottage, engage the other bot in endless conversation until it melts down from confusion.

    We can live stream the battles. We'll call the show Babblebots.

    Any devs interested?

    NumbersCanBeFun , to RedditMigration in Hot take: 18 years of user contributions to reddit will serve as a base model for an AI that generates content and conversations. the reddit experience continues as a simulation, to harvest clicks, sales and ad revenue.
    @NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social avatar

    They already had it. It was called /r/SubredditSimulator

    livus ,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    Let's face it, they already had it on some of the big default subs as well.

    I went though a phase of bot hunting, and it was not unusual to find comment chains of 3 bots replying to each other near the top of big threads, sometimes with a hapless human or two in the mix.

    They use snippets of comments from downthread (and usually downvote their "donor" comments to lower visibility) so it seems kind of organic. Sometimes they use a thesaurus or something and re word it somewhat.

    What was really sad was when you'd see a human writing screeds of long arguments in reply to them.

    HotDogFingies ,
    @HotDogFingies@kbin.social avatar

    Excuse my ignorance, but how were you able to recognize the bots?

    The repost bots were fairly easy to spot, but I sadly never found a situation like the one you're describing. I don't use reddit anymore, but the information may be useful elsewhere.

    livus ,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    It's a bit like finding a single thread and unravelling it.
    I used to get dozens of these things banned a day, there were a lot of us bot hunters reporting bots.

    They sometimes sound "off", stop in mid sentence, reply to people as if they think it's the OP, reply as if they are OP, or post 💯 by itself. Or they have a username that fits a recent bot pattern (e.g. appending "rp" to existing usernames)
    .
    If you see one slip up once, then looking at its other comments will often lead you to new bots simply because they are all attracted to the same positions (prominent but a few comments deep).

    Certain subs like AITA and r/memes are more prone to them so I would go there for easy leads.

    Also if you check its actual submissions, a karma laden bot will often repost hobby content, then have a second bot come and claim to have bought a t shirt or mug with that content and post a malicious link. Then a third bot will pose as another redditor saying thanks I just ordered one to the second bot. Following those bots leads you to even more bots, etc.

    @XiELEd copying you in here.

    HotDogFingies ,
    @HotDogFingies@kbin.social avatar

    Christ. This is not the future I envisioned.

    YouveCatToBeKittenMe ,
    @YouveCatToBeKittenMe@kbin.social avatar

    To add to what other people said: As a casual user who didn't go deliberately looking for bots, I mostly caught them when they posted a comment that was a complete non sequitur to the comment they replied to, like they were posted in the wrong thread. Which, well, is because they were--they were copied from elsewhere in the comment section and randomly posted as a reply to a more prominent thread. Ctrl+F came in very handy there. (They do sometimes reword things, but generally only a couple of words, so searching for bits and pieces of their comment still usually turns up results.)

    Also, the bot comments I caught were usually just a line or two, not entire paragraphs, even if they were copied from a longer comment.

    Aesthesiaphilia ,

    The past year or so, they've been in every single thread with more than 50 comments. If you expand the comments and do a little ctrl+f searching, you'll see how they copy comments from users and then repost and have their fellow bots upvote them for visibility. Look at the timestamps on the posts.

    umbraroze ,
    @umbraroze@kbin.social avatar

    SubredditSimulator was based on older generative algorithms, so everyone could fairly easily tell that it was rubbish. When SubredditSimulator got shut down, someone made a new one based on GPT-2 (I think) and everyone was like "OK, this is getting harder to distinguish from real people".

    I'm betting someone has made even more advanced bots by now. I'm betting someone's also not concerned about telling other users upfront that they're bots, and they're not confining them into specific subs. Now, the only reason I'm not accusing Reddit Inc themselves of building these bots is that they aren't exactly a bastion of software engineering excellence; the site barely works as is.

    RomanRoy , to Linux in Check Out These Linux-Related Magazines on Kbin
    @RomanRoy@lemmy.world avatar

    Hey kbin fellas

    Why not follow the Lemmy communities already created? Most of these already exist and are larger, I think.

    staticlifetime OP ,
    @staticlifetime@kbin.social avatar

    Instances exist for more than just to access singular communities. You can access our stuff here, and we will go to y'all as well. This is no small community either. We choose to be on kbin for a reason.

    Drusas , to men in why i think that men dont align with feminism and the left at large

    It is actually this sort of toxic nonsense that is the problem.

    Dwayne-Payton879 OP ,

    can you explain why you feel this way?

    vlakas ,
    @vlakas@kbin.social avatar

    Maybe Kbin should add rewards like Reddit had /s. We could give our fellow visitor a Constructive Comment Award.

    DiachronicShear ,

    first off, Jordan Peterson is like, King of the Incels. Basing a moral argument around him is pretty sus

    Dwayne-Payton879 OP ,

    I wasn't basing an argument around him but the hypocrisy that we want men to be emotionally vulnerable, until they have politics we don't like the it is fuck them.

    That is what I was highlighting, not that I like Jordan Peterson, as I hate his politics, but If you want men to be vulnerable, it can't be just men who align with what the left inherently agrees with. It has to be extended to everyone

    IncidentalIncidence , to Linux in Help me find a fitting distro

    NixOS is a bad choice for a new user. EndeavourOS is okay, but arch-based distros (even ones with nice graphical installers) can get overwhelming for a beginner if an update breaks something and you have to figure out why and fix it, which isn't an irregular occurence for me. Wouldn't recommend tumbleweed for similar reasons.

    I think the best mix of easy customizability, beginner-friendliness, and stability are probably offered by fedora and mint, personally.

    backhdlp , to Linux in Help me find a fitting distro

    One I haven’t seen here is Arco Linux. It’s designed as a kind of learning path from getting to know basic Linux concepts to being able to install Arch on your own, so I think it’s a pretty good early choice, tho probably not that good for the first choice.

    General recommendation is that you choose something with good community support or at least good documentation. You might also not want a rolling release, because they tend to be more on the unstable side.

    tophu , to Linux in Help me find a fitting distro
    @tophu@kbin.social avatar

    I'm going to suggest one I'm not seeing here; OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. I cut my teeth on Tumbleweed for years, and it has the pros of a rolling release while YaST provides the tools needed to have a stable base that rivals that of Ubuntu. Gaming is extremely easy to get set up, and you can choose pretty much any major desktop, although I recommend XFCE.

    euphoriainafruit ,

    I tried tumbleweed, but zypper was just agonizingly slow. Is there any way to speed up the updates?

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