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golden_zealot , to Politics in ‘We Didn’t Get All The Way There On Jan 6’: Trump Booster Pledges to End Democracy in CPAC Rant as Bannon Cheers On
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Can anyone explain how all of these people aren’t being sent to prison for straight up treason? Isn’t blatantly and loudly stating that you’re intending to overthrow the united states government an enormous crime?

FirstCircle OP ,
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You’d think so, wouldn’t you? People have been locked-away for treason after lesser acts than Jan 6. Treason laws in the United States . If the feds won’t prosecute, I’d hope the state AGs would start to look into these kind of public displays of insurrection.

tacosanonymous , to Politics in Josh Hawley Calls for Ukraine Funding To Be ‘Redirected to Israel Immediately’

I would like to propose that we all tell him to go fuck himself.

floofloof ,
Heresy_generator , to Politics in Trump Threatens Would Be ‘Very Dangerous’ If Jack Smith Sends Him To Jail In New Interview
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We saw his whole circus of clowns on January 6th. We're not scared.

gentleman ,

@Heresy_generator m/liberalgunowners r/liberalgunowners we need to be prepared for round 2. Heritage Foundation and Trump’s shadow cabinet are already planning for the police state that will follow if Trump gets in and GOP states have been working for years to cut out opposition voting.

@DarkGamer

DarkGamer OP ,
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The kbin link format is @liberalgunowners

It would be ironic if sufficient liberal gun ownership finally brings Republicans around to supporting gun regulation, like Reagan did when he was governor of CA because the Black Panthers started open carrying.

gentleman ,

@DarkGamer That would be ironic, but irony is not the Right’s strong suit. Thank you for help with the format! I think it is crucial that liberals embrace gun rights before the next election/coup attempt. There are more of us than people realize, we just don’t tattoo it on our foreheads or make it the center of our beings. I saw that shit go down before and frankly I’m way too fucking old to tolerate an attack on our country like that again

@Heresy_generator @liberalgunowners

Deceptichum , to Politics in [News] 90-Year-Old Dianne Feinstein Cedes Power Of Attorney To Daughter – But Remains In Senate
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  • Drusas ,

    While I understand the sentiment, directly encouraging someone to die like this is not acceptable on this magazine, so your comment has been removed. Please try to keep things civil.

    e_t_ Admin , to Politics in Josh Hawley Calls for Ukraine Funding To Be ‘Redirected to Israel Immediately’

    Actual Nazi supports Israel? I didn't see that one coming.

    Kalkaline ,
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    Isn’t there an “end times” theory of why Christian conservatives support Israel?

    Peaty ,

    Yes, the “Left Behind” stories start with a nuclear conflict between Russia and Israel.

    i_cant_sports ,

    There’s a book series I wish I could forget

    masquenox ,

    It is something Christo-fascists seems to buy into… but there’s far more to it than just that. Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism, and it has always been a thoroughly antisemitic thing.

    JoMiran ,
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    More shocking to me was seeing Israel hold others under a military boot. Like, really?!? That’s the tact they picked?

    e_t_ Admin ,

    There's a whole trope of abused children growing up to be abusers.

    Chrisosaur , to Politics in Trump Threatens Would Be ‘Very Dangerous’ If Jack Smith Sends Him To Jail In New Interview

    Nice country you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it.

    Jaysyn ,
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    Always has been.

    btaf45 ,

    Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump won't be able to do all that much while fleeing the country in Putin's submarine.

    DarkGamer OP , to Politics in Trump Threatens Would Be ‘Very Dangerous’ If Jack Smith Sends Him To Jail In New Interview
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Now he's threatening terrorism if the rule of law applies to him. This fucker is a danger to society and we need to address it.

    flossdaily ,

    This country will never heal unless he spends time behind bars.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    It won’t even if he does. Trump isn’t the cause, he’s a symptom. The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn’t.

    elscallr ,
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    Making the United States a union of sovereign territories instead of a country with a powerful federal government sounds like a familiar idea.

    DarkGamer OP ,
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    One our national enemies would love.

    elscallr ,
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    They wouldn't be national enemies anymore

    Unaware7013 ,

    Yeah, at least a third of the states would immediately cozy up to them

    MostlyBirds ,
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    You mean the ones that are also headed towards total societal collapse within the next decade? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll totally have plenty of resources to spare for a trans-pacific invasion when they can’t grow any crops.

    MostlyBirds ,
    @MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

    Who said anything about that? This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people and the world at large has been increasingly outweighing any good it does. Empires are always negative forces and should always be dismantled.

    elscallr ,
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    The person I replied to did:

    The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn’t.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    Nope, I didn’t say anything about a “union of sovereign territories.” That was just you.

    elscallr ,
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    Well it wasn't just me, it was the people that established the country.

    Veraxus ,
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    No, the nazis much not be allowed to establish their reich.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    That ship has fucking sailed, buddy.

    Hellsadvocate ,
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    Woah buddy That's a sharp edge

    chaogomu ,

    How would you split the country? There are heavily blue areas in red states and heavily red areas in blue states.

    Or do you just want chaos?

    MostlyBirds ,
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    I don’t have the solution, I just have the basic sense to see that what this country is is entirely unsustainable.

    effingjoe ,

    Your solution ignores that all we really need to do (and I say that like it's easy but I acknowledge it's not) is remove the parts of our system that prevent an accurately representative government. Stuff like the electoral college, the cap on House seats, and the dominance of plurality voting. The root problem we see here is that a minority of people have more power over the government than the majority of people.

    Like I said, this is much easier typed out than done, but it is not impossible, and is much more likely to succeed than "make a fascist country and give it a humongous border with the democratic country that it views as 'the enemy'" Even if there were a clean way to split it up (there isn't: cities are blue, rural areas are red), much of the red state's income comes from the federal taxes from blue states. Do you really think that's going to end well?

    btaf45 ,

    This country should be split up entirely. It’s already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it’s caused its own people

    Weird that you start talking about Russia all of a sudden.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    Yeah, Russia is significantly worse. We all know. That doesn’t change the fact that the US is sprinting head first into the woodchipper, too.

    btaf45 ,

    Do you think that Americans do not understand that it is precisely because the USA is the most successful country in the world that foreigners try to shit on us?

    wagesj45 ,
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    Sounds like copium to me. We have a few good things going for us, but to say we're far and above every other country is insanity.

    DarkGamer OP ,
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    to say we're far and above every other country is insanity.

    That depends on what domain and what metrics we're talking about. The US is by far objectively the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, which is nothing to scoff at. American military is far above and beyond the capability of other nations.

    I wouldn't say we're a shining city on the hill that should be an example for everyone, we certainly have our issues, but we shouldn't overlook the domains where we are successful.

    wagesj45 ,
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    Like I said, there are some things we do extremely well. Sharing the wealth of the country amongst the citizens of the country is something we fail at miserably. My personal favorite thing is the first amendment to the constitution because I happen to value freedom of thought. Another thing we tend to do really well. Our culture also has a certain resilience that I appreciate. I only hate on America because I know what it could be if there was collective pushback on the oligarchy that seems to have so many of us in a trance.

    btaf45 ,

    Did not say the US is "far above every other country", only that we are the most successful country in the world, on average, and by multiple metrics, but not all metrics.

    snooggums ,
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    When you have an illness you still treat the symptoms while you address the cause so the symptoms don't make things worse.

    MrJameGumb ,
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    Splitting the US like that would be absolute chaos and probably result in several civil wars. This would also destroy all federal aid programs and I can guarantee no states are going to step in to fill that void. Dividing the country further than it already is will not solve anything.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    This country is going to implode one way or another. We can try to have it happen in a kinda sorta controlled way, or we can do your idea of sticking our fingers in our ears and just let the pressure build until it breaks in the most destructive way possible.

    It’s going to hurt no matter what. Trying to avoid the pain will only end in worse pain.

    btaf45 ,

    This country is going to implode one way or another.

    Then it is a good thing America is the most successful country in the entire world, Ivan. So that we don't have to worry about Russia's imminent implosion. I guess that is why Russians are fleeing their country in droves.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    The Roman empire was still the most successful empire in the world at the time it collapsed. So was the British empire. And the Spanish empire. And the Mongol empire. And the Abassid Caliphate. Should I go on, or do you get the fucking point yet?

    Yeah, Russia is one of the worst, most worthless shitholes in the world, far worse than the US. That doesn’t nullify the situation the US is in, nor the sitiation it’s headed towards. This country cannot and will not survive the already inevitable famines of the 2030’s.

    btaf45 ,

    The Roman empire was still the most successful empire in the world at the time it collapsed.

    Nope. Constantople was a tiny city state in 1453. Italy was controlled by barbiarians in 476. Also, the Roman Empire lasted 2000 years. None of those empires were anywhere near the "most successful" when they collapse.

    This country cannot and will not survive the already inevitable famines of the 2030’s.

    LOL. So Russia is not going to survive another 10 years even? Wow, I suspected as much, Ivan. Good thing my country is the most successful country in the world. We'll try to help you guys over there after Putin in put in prison.

    MostlyBirds ,
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    Ivan

    Fuck off, jackass. Being anti-American doesn’t mean pro-Russian, and anyone with even a single brain cell rattling around in their skull knows they’re both trash.

    btaf45 ,

    Damn your huge envy of Americans for creating the most successful country in the world has caused you some serious personal issues. Nobody ever thought you were American like you kept pretending to be, because everything you posted sounded like obvious cringy propaganda to actual Americans LMFAO. You stay in your country of Bumfuckistan or Russia, and work on your huge personal jealousy issues that made you try to impersonate one of us. While our country is busy being the leader of the Free World.

    wagesj45 ,
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    No one said balkanization was a good thing. Just that it happens, and is currently happening, being driven by multi-billion dollar media corporations trying to inflame a culture war to keep the lower classes occupied. They were too successful, and the wheels are starting to come off.

    We might be able to fix it, but the current trajectory is pretty clear.

    Bipta ,

    He is a cause and a symptom. Trying, convicting, and imprisoning his would go a long way, but would not stop the problem from growing.

    DarkGamer OP ,
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    We're better off with systemic incentives in place to dissuade the next person considering Trump-like criminal behaviors.

    Jaysyn ,
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    This country will never heal unless he spends time dies behind bars.

    FTFY

    Izzgo ,

    Our very first mistake was not sending Nixon to prison. Set a bad precedent.

    rynzcycle ,

    Our very first mistake was not sending Nixon to prison. Set a bad precedent president.

    It was right there.

    DarkGamer OP , (edited )
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    Our very first mistake was not sending Nixon to prison. Set a bad precedent.

    I agree with you in principle, however I don't know how we could have accomplished that without preventing Ford from using his pardon, causing a constitutional crisis.

    AbidanYre ,

    Our first mistake was not stomping out the confederacy hard enough.

    DarkGamer OP , (edited )
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    Our first mistake was not stomping out the confederacy hard enough.

    That was a huge mistake. We are still dealing with the consequences of the failure of reconstruction. (Article is a few years old but still very relevant.) archival link

    Racism was the primary motivator for Trump votes in 2016.

    StarServal ,
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    It isn’t the first time.

    ForestOrca ,
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    Naturally, as a trained professional, Jack Smith is making note.

    3425asdfqwer4 , to Politics in ‘We Didn’t Get All The Way There On Jan 6’: Trump Booster Pledges to End Democracy in CPAC Rant as Bannon Cheers On

    All conservatives must be dealt with. It's beyond clear that they cannot continue to exist in our society.

    unconsciousvoidling , to Politics in Josh Hawley Calls for Ukraine Funding To Be ‘Redirected to Israel Immediately’

    GOP is just an extension of Russia.

    Xel ,
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    Didn’t a bunch of high profile congressmen or senators go to Russia on the 4th of July?

    i_cant_sports ,
    Izzgo , to Politics in Trump Threatens Would Be ‘Very Dangerous’ If Jack Smith Sends Him To Jail In New Interview

    We don't negotiate with terrorists. Even ex-presidents.

    stanleytweedle , to Politics in Trump Threatens Would Be ‘Very Dangerous’ If Jack Smith Sends Him To Jail In New Interview

    His base’s ‘passion’ a greater threat to their own cardiovascular system than the justice system.

    DarkGamer OP ,
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    Send in the gravy seals and meal team six.

    btaf45 ,

    Also the more of these people we can lock up the better.

    Sanctus , to Politics in ‘We Didn’t Get All The Way There On Jan 6’: Trump Booster Pledges to End Democracy in CPAC Rant as Bannon Cheers On
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    Dismantle all super PACS. Disseminate information to uncontrolled civilians. Destroy legalized bribery. If all else fails, become ungovernable.

    originalucifer , to Politics in [News] 90-Year-Old Dianne Feinstein Cedes Power Of Attorney To Daughter – But Remains In Senate
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    this should be a warning to the general population... but it wont. these old fucktards will never remove themselves from power, they will need to be forced to retire like the rest of us.

    80 year old presidents?? wtf is wrong with us?

    flipht , to Politics in [News] 90-Year-Old Dianne Feinstein Cedes Power Of Attorney To Daughter – But Remains In Senate

    Power of attorney is a normal thing, and it doesn't actually indicate that she's unable to care for herself.

    It's something all people should seriously consider if they have a responsible adult child.

    It has to be done BEFORE you're actually in need, because you have to be competent to make the decision. It saves families a lot of drama if the person winds up in the hospital and someone needs to pay their bills, or needs to make other financial decisions while they're incapacitated.

    All that said, feinstein is definitely incapable of caring for herself, so she needs to go. But I wish people would stop demonizing this particular thing, since it has nothing to do with the actual issues.

    Itty53 ,
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    No one is demonizing this particular thing. People are complaining about a senator who needs to give way to a younger, more progressive person.

    Like a 70 year old. /s Jokes aside this highlights things well.

    Seriously though, no one is demonizing the thing. They're pointing out the thing adds strong evidence to the arguments they've been making for the better part of the last 20 years. When W Bush went under the knife he signed over power to Cheney. That's the responsible thing to do. On the same token, Feinstein has indicated the likelihood that she is unable to serve her role in numerous ways, with this just being one more way. If she can no longer speak for herself, how can she speak for Californians? I live here, BTW. I'm affected directly.

    Sheerfire96 , to Politics in Trump Threatens Would Be ‘Very Dangerous’ If Jack Smith Sends Him To Jail In New Interview

    Sure Jan

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