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Melkath , in Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy

Well... If the Democrats can't deliver an actual liberal...

DarkGamer OP ,
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Biden is absolutely a liberal.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights.

Melkath ,

Then why does he label himself progressive and why is he STILL trying to send billions of dollars to continue the slaughter of Palestine?

I'm a life long liberal Democrat.

I dont know where your copy pasta comes from and I'm not clicking on your link.

Liberals are anti-war. Progressives are pro-status quo, which is pro military industrial complex, which is pro Israel slaughtering innocents with weapons and ammunition made by American military contractors.

PupBiru ,
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americans use “liberal” to only mean socially liberal, however liberal describes both economic and social philosophies

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

economic liberals are all about the free market, social liberals are all about human and civil rights (among many other things)

DarkGamer OP ,
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I dont know where your copy pasta comes from and I'm not clicking on your link.

Can't learn if you don't click, random stranger. I linked to the wikipedia article on liberalism, what that "copypasta" was cited from.

Clearly it's the definitions that are wrong, lol.

cozz33 ,

I don’t have anything to add to this conversation but I just want to say you’ve done a great job at reporting news while remaining civil DarkGamer. I’ve never seen you get heated or take an all or nothing stance on an issue and honestly it’s so refreshing to see. You’re proof that people can debate things without resorting to shit slinging and name calling. Keep up the good work 👍

HarkMahlberg ,
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I'm not clicking on your link.

My man, it's Wikipedia. It's where he copied the text from. You could afford to put in a little effort to engage in good faith.

Liberals are anti-war. Progressives are pro-status quo, which is pro military industrial complex

Progressives absolutely support cutting military spending to divert funding to single-payer healthcare.

Melkath ,

Cutting military spending is not anti-war.

Cutting military spending is a clever deal to keep the wars going AND fund Healthcare.

Progressives are pro-war, and that isn't liberal.

Liberals traditionally are Democrat and are increasingly disenfranchised.

Jesus, are you 12?

Give me that urban dictionary link that tells me what a liberal Democrat is. Fuck.

4am ,

You’re thinking of conservatives.

Melkath ,

Conservatives?

Are anti-war?

The fuck you smoking?

Zorque ,

Pretty sure they meant the other description you gave.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
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Progressives are pro-status quo

LOL there's a new one.

Uranium3006 ,
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Lol he hates half of that

cupcakezealot ,
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biden is probably one of the most liberal presidents in recent history…

BarrierWithAshes , in Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy
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Omg this is really gonna be the year of third-party elections isnt it?

Gonna end up being Biden vs Trump vs Stein vs [libertarian candidate] vs Cheney vs Manchin?

paysrenttobirds ,

Who knew the birth of a third party would be so painful

Fraylor ,

Should’ve got the epidural.

Zorque ,

It won't be the birth of a third party, it'll be the year the House decides who gets to be president. That's what happens when no one gets enough electoral votes.

FoundTheVegan , in Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy
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Do it Liz! It'd hurt Trump more than Biden, which is probably her thought process anyways. Idk, what's the downside?

gravitas_deficiency , in Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy

I’m a staunch progressive, but if she somehow becomes the nexus of a new “reasonable conservative” party in the US, I would honestly love it. I disagree with her on nearly everything - especially domestic matters - but she and I both apparently actually give a shit about small-d democracy, and that’s something I can actually work with.

btaf45 , (edited )

Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.

gravitas_deficiency ,

If people are ultimately willing to abide by the rules of democracy, they’re not a lost cause - they can be negotiated with.

The line is drawn at dogmatic, slavish devotion to the idea of power at all costs with complete disregard to democratic processes. That isn’t something you can have a debate with.

admiralteal ,

A conservative's loyalty to America comes from a desire to maintain traditional values, social orders, and hierarchies of people.

They don't deserve respect. The ones who deserve respect are the ones trying to protect the rights of individuals, maximize the social good of all people, and foster an environment of progress for the future -- the liberals, socialists, and the progressives, that is. People who declare themselves conservative stand in opposition to these things by definition. They do not want things to change for the better because they do not want things to change at all unless it is going backwards.

I'll take the allies I can in this existential fight, but I have zero respect for anyone who's proud to be a conservative.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
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Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.

If there were more than 5 of these unicorns Trump wouldn't have done so well in 2020, and Republicans in congress wouldn't be the clown show that they are today because of the pressure they'd have been receiving from their constituents.

The current state of Repubican leadership convinces me that the only pressure they are getting from their consituents is to go harder with facism.

I hope she fractures the R vote also. But I'm not going to forget what conservative America has enabled and continues to support to this day.

admiralteal ,

Or she could just caucus with the Dems. Have exactly the same official platform, a lot of influence, and show the courage of her convictions by truly rejecting fascism.

She doesn't do so because she does not fully reject fascism.

Nougat ,

Yeah her policy platform would be diametrically opposed to a Democratic platform.

admiralteal ,

Explain to me what policies McCain advocates for that are so incompatible with the Dem party platform that it can come even close to being a "diametrical" opposition?

Is it her desire to police uteruses? That's not an issue the dems have historically cared to do anything about in spite of myriad opportunities to protect the right to control your own body. She'd hardly be the only anti-choice democrat.

She changed her mind on opposition to same-sex marriage. She's helped pass gun control packages. The only thing she's been vocal about is being anti-Trump, and the best way to defeat Trump is not as Republican and is CERTAINLY not as an independent actor. Hell, running third party will probably increase Trump's odds.

Nougat ,

McCain?

admiralteal ,

Sorry, Cheney. Same fucking difference, those two. They're both snakes that don't have the courage to do what really needs to be done to put an end to the rise of fascism -- abandon the party and ideology of fascism.

Nougat ,

Pretty sure the reason one of them doesn't have the courage is because he's dead.

admiralteal ,

I'm fine with killing off Cindy McCain, but don't misgender her.

UFODivebomb , in Texas sues Pfizer with COVID anti-vax argument that is pure stupid

I take it the Texas tax payers would be footing the bill? If so then there is no risk (ha!) to Paxton to pursue this. Only political gain even if Texas loses.

Sigh… How is this criminal not in jail anyways?

DarkGamer ,
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Pro crime Republicans protected him from consequence

btaf45 , in Eligible voters are being swept up in conservative activists' efforts to purge voter rolls

["I believe it's what God wants me to do," Lee said. "He knows what's right and what's wrong ]

Wow you totally got that wrong. What Yahweh wants you to do is to not spread false reports of election fraud.

You disobeyed God all 3 times here, hypocrite.

Exodus 23:1-2

"Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.
"Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong."

gravitas_deficiency ,

So, my imaginary friend is telling me to pull down as many voter records as possible for swing states and build an analysis pipeline to determine which voters are conservative and then automatically file challenges to their registrations.

If these chucklefucks really want to fuck around, I and many others are perfectly happy helping them find out.

Jaysyn , in Eligible voters are being swept up in conservative activists' efforts to purge voter rolls
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This was the plan the whole time & the media is complicit.

They will be so shocked when they find themselves against the wall as the first victims of Donald Trump's regime.

lemonflavoured , in Republicans Trip Over Their Own Assholes Trying to Take Down Hunter Biden
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Loving the headline.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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An elephant tripping over its own prolapsed anus is not a visual I enjoy, but you do you

mateomaui , in Republicans Trip Over Their Own Assholes Trying to Take Down Hunter Biden

lol that really is the article title, I love you, Bess Levin.

Comer: Democrats will interrupt him and his fellow Republican colleagues with fact-checks.

Ah, I see the problem. Facts.

CarrierLost ,
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Those pesky facts are always getting in the way of the agenda.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS , in Arizona officials charged with conspiring to delay midterm election outcome

Wow. It's almost like the call is coming from inside the house...

bedrooms , in [Analysis] What is no-fault divorce, and why do some conservatives want to get rid of it? | CNN

I never understood the alternative. If either of the couple wants to divorce, why is the government supposed to be able to stop it?

My country, in fact, bans no fault divorce. I mean, I don't want to divorce, but it's a matter of human rights.

bioemerl ,

The problem really isn't the choice to get divorced, it's stuff like child support and alimony crossed with a court system very biased towards giving those to women when they probably shouldn't be

Divorce has or had become a "no fault" leave and make money system. I see literally zero reason to get married the way things are now. All loss and no gain.

bedrooms ,

I think you might have a fair point. I have a different opinion though.

If men are treated unfairly, although I don't take sides on this exact issue, that's a separate thing that should be fixed. Doesn't mean to abolish no fault divorce. In theory. I don't know enough to decisively argue how practical that theory is.

flta OP , in [Analysis] What is no-fault divorce, and why do some conservatives want to get rid of it? | CNN

Right-wing commentators like Steven Crowder and Matt Walsh have ramped up complaints in recent months that it is too easy for people — specifically women — to get divorces. All states currently have some version of a no-fault divorce law, but Republicans in Texas and Nebraska list the dissolution or restriction of no-fault divorce in their state party political platforms.

In Louisiana earlier this year, state GOP members debated officially backing the dissolution of no-fault divorce, but no decision was made.

So we have the Democratic Party protecting and even expanding women’s rights in the states they control while the GOP has already dismantled reproductive rights and are now angling to repeal no-fault divorce.

Yet millions of people will say “Both sides” as they either not vote, vote Republican, or vote 3rd party while agreeing that no-fault divorce should be allowed…

Pratai , in [Analysis] What is no-fault divorce, and why do some conservatives want to get rid of it? | CNN

Without even reading that article, I’m going to guess that no fault divorce is something that benefits women. I’m basing this solely on the fact that conservatives don’t like women much- as most of their policy seems to be designed to hurt them in some way.

snooggums ,
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You are correct.

admiralteal ,

It's also classic "XYZ behavior that most people agree is not a preferable outcome is against our preferences, but instead of creating a safe and protective society that prevents people from ending up in bad situations in the first place we'll instead legislate the preference directly."

See: abortion, war on drugs, the entire carceral system, etc.

flta OP , (edited ) in [Analysis] DeSantis Faces Critical Decision on Cruise Ships in Key West

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, when cruise ships filled with sickened passengers were blocked from U.S. ports, residents in Key West, Fla., have been trying to limit the size and number of vacation vessels on the tiny island, using the momentum created during the pandemic to argue for continuing restrictions on cruise vessels.

Activists flooded City Commission meetings, protested on the dock, collected signatures and managed to pass three ballot measures in 2020 imposing stricter controls to protect the marine environment and limit passengers to 1,500 a day — only to see the state Legislature, with the approval of Gov. Ron DeSantis, void the new restrictions the following year.

Now the wealthy hotelier who operates Key West’s cruise ship port is doubling down, asking the state for permission to expand, which would allow bigger ships with more passengers to operate legally out of the port.

The issue will soon land on the desk of Mr. DeSantis, who has received nearly $1 million in campaign donations from the pier’s owner. It represents a tough balancing act for the Republican governor, a 2024 presidential candidate who has touted his environmental record but has also been a booster of Florida’s tourism industry.

Hopefully Key West wises up and doesn’t vote for Republicans next year.

For those in Key West, get organized by joining the Florida Keys Democratic Club!

WHYAREWEALLCAPS , in The Red State Brain Drain Isn’t Coming. It’s Happening Right Now.

Precisely how they like it. Intellectuals drive change which is anathema to the party of stagnation.

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