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NSA_Server_04 , to Politics in US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world

Amazing how you can specifically state American groups, as if the whole Middle East doesn’t do worse shit.

BruceTwarzen ,

From greatest country in the world to: there is actually a worse country somewhere, even tho we liberated it for 20 years

julesiecoolsie , to Politics in US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world

The rest of the world will never care about trans rights, you have to accept that. It’s seen as mental illness because it is mental illness to them. You have to build bridges with traditional cultures, but instead the typical response is “bigot!” which is precisely why nobody outside the US cares

Innti ,

Well that's not true, they'll care eventually. Progress takes time, and just like being gay was and is in certain areas seen as a mental illness, eventually the stigma will be worn away until only the truly fanatical cultures still have issues with it.

Machinist3359 ,

It's also worth mentioning the conceptions of gender varies wildly cross culturally. Many cultures have millennia of trans acceptance pre-colonization. Truly the hegemonic obsession with gender is the anomaly in human history (i.e. shampoo...FOR MEN).

MiscreantMouse ,
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Hatemongers like you are always so whiny and uneducated... talking about 'returning to tradition' until they actually learn about the traditions, then it's all 'not like that'.

Turns out many traditional cultures recognized a variety of trans and nonbinary genders, it's actually the bigotry that's new.

julesiecoolsie ,

That wasn’t hate, stating the fact that you can’t convince people they’re wrong by name calling, which is what you just did. That’s just throwing a fit because someone doesn’t agree with your viewpoint

MiscreantMouse ,
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Whine, whine, whine. Whatever you want to tell yourself dude, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out how silly and back-asswards your 'traditional cultures' argument is.

julesiecoolsie ,

You’re whining

MiscreantMouse ,
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Good one bro 👍

BruceTwarzen ,

I think he means winning. Congrats

Niello , (edited )

You can't convince anyone by generalising other cultures either. To start with, it's Christianity that started the whole bigotry deal in some places. There are also places which provide better rights than the US. To say that the rest of the world will never care about trans right as if none are already caring right now is ignorant and pretty insulting, much more than someone calling out specific person for their behaviour.

such_lettuce7970 ,
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Are you saying America is the only place where people care about trans rights? 'Cause I gotta say, as a Canadian and a trans person, I'm SO glad I was born on this side of the border. I imagine I'd feel the same if I were born in (most of) western or northern Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc. In my view, much of the US is absolutely full of vile bigotry towards trans folks, and only getting worse.

moonsnotreal , to Politics in US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world
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It’s scary to me that these people have so much power in the US government. I live in a pretty left-leaning state, but how long until they manage to pass a law federally?

Teppic OP , to RedditMigration in Twitter traffic sinks in wake of changes and launch of rival platform Threads
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This is perhaps not strictly RedditMigration, but it certainly discusses migration to Mastodon which is all good too!

BedSharkPal , to RedditMigration in Twitter traffic sinks in wake of changes and launch of rival platform Threads

I'll take my slightly good news where I can get it. I'm begging for scraps over here!

yesdogishere , to RedditMigration in Twitter traffic sinks in wake of changes and launch of rival platform Threads

for the sake of humanity, pls permaban threads from using activityhub etc if it in any way uses data shared with kbin/lemmy. threads is an abominatin - it doesn't show you when people mention you in replies, and it selectively shows you things which only zuckerprick wants to show you. so posts are not even shown chronologically, threads just doesn't bother to show you all the posts.

threads is clearly a vehicle for fascist control of the population, far more than twitter ever was. pls protect kbin/lemmy from being infected or else when threads is affected by political scandals, kbin/lemmy will be affected.

WHY IS KBIN/LEMMY NOT CLARIFYING THAT FACEBOOK THREADS IS BANNED ALREADY?????

effingjoe ,

Is this satire?

exohuman ,
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Threads isn’t federated yet with anyone. The functionality is not there. When/if it does try to federate it will be with Mastodon instances, not kbin/Lemmy.

hypelightfly ,

Kbin does federate with Mastodon instances and supports microblogs.

fearout ,
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Threads aren't even federated yet. There's nothing to defederate or ban.

Bozicus ,

It is apparently possible to add “threads.net” to a defederation/ban list even though there’s no actual communication yet. It gives peace of mind to people who want to drop the portcullis on all commercial interests. But in practical terms, you’re right, there’s nothing to ban.

Kara ,
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You cannot block someone from using activitypub, that just simply is not how it works.

BraveSirZaphod ,
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With all due respect, please touch grass. "For the sake of humanity"? "Zuckerprick"? "A vehicle for fascist control of the population"?

You sound like a thirteen year old.

chaogomu ,

To be fair, Facebook employs a man named Joel Kaplan as their head of Global Policy. Formerly their head of US Policy, Formerly a Bush White House Toady.

Kaplan is the reason who all the right-wing conspiracy websites pretending to be news orgs weren't banned from Facebook news feeds. He personally exempted them all from community standards and Facebook terms of service about lying and shit. He then ordered left leaning news to be scrutinized more heavily.

He's been stuffing the ranks of Facebook's middle and upper management with loyalty tested conservatives.

Kaplan also refused to make changes to the algorithm that would have helped fight hate speech, because anger and outrage drive higher engagement.

He's also ignoring at least three ongoing racial cleansings that are being actively powered by Facebook, because they're happening in countries that are not the US.

So in a way, it really is a vehicle for the fascist control of the population, or at least a fascist friendly media stream.

The1Morrigan , to RedditMigration in Twitter traffic sinks in wake of changes and launch of rival platform Threads

Now if only there was an alternative that had nothing to do with Facebook.

adonis ,
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oh.. wait..

One_Dollar_Payout ,

There is Mastodon. You just have to get used to it.

Machinist3359 ,

Mastodon: it's harder to find your friends, but you get to keep them.

spammedevito ,

I agree, but I try to be pragmatic. Everyone is looking for the twitter killer that will destroy it in a blaze of glory, but I am fine with it slowly bleeding users and value as Threads and Mastodon (and Bluesky?) get better and gains more users.

billiam0202 ,

But is Meta/Facebook gaining any better? Remember, this was the company that gladly shared information with Cambridge Analytica to affect the 2016 US elections. And they’re collecting an absolutely monstrous amount of data from each Thread user.

xuxebiko OP , to Politics in Teen dies in sawmill accident as US states aim to roll back child labor laws

WTF is the US doing to its children?

Krzak ,

Maybe that’s the “protecting” they conservatives are screaming about.

xuxebiko OP ,

The conservatives are being clever. They've passed laws banning abortion, forcing women to birth unwanted children who can be forced to provide their labour at lower rates to increase the profit margins of Republican donors.

And we thought they were banning abortions because "every child deserves to live". They aren't pro-life, they're pro-child labour and were simply ensuring their donors don't face a labour shortage.

Rhaedas ,
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At least they were finally thinking about the future for once. /s

xuxebiko OP ,

They're making life for the poors as adventurous & short-lived as a character in a video game. Survived school shootings? Good, now survive being child labour with lax EPA laws. Survived that? Now try to survive on a min. paying job that won't pay your rent, so hello multiple low-wage jobs. Btw, no birth control or sex-ed for you, so that when you die early due to lack of affordable medical care, your children can take your place in the treadmill. Can't let the shareholders down.

This shit is too depressing for words.

escapedgoat ,

It's the only way to keep "dem illegals" out and still maintain an underprivileged work force.

ProximaC ,

Feeding them to the machine that is Late Stage Capitalism. nom nom nom.

Drusas ,

Gotta crush those little spirits early.

experbia ,
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Our owner class here would, with their own two hands, slowly feed children into a wood chipper feet-first if it meant making a single penny. Most of the country can't pay attention, they're scrambling 24/7 to merely survive each day. The few who find a ledge to cling onto turn around and see the billionaires and the chippers, and instead of being disgusted, most start cheering it on because they've been lied to their whole lives. They've been told there is only enough ledge for them alone, and if more people "make it", they'll fall back down and be ripped apart. So they cheer and guide the travesties to secure their pittance, without ever looking up to see how much empty space there is.

needmorepto ,
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having them make your clothes and cell phones...

BruceTwarzen ,

They pivot from child labour to child soldiers.

xuxebiko OP ,

:(

Hellsadvocate , to RedditMigration in Twitter traffic sinks in wake of changes and launch of rival platform Threads
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The enemy of my enemy....isn't like my best friend or anything, but I sure am cheering them on...
But in all honesty, as much as I love the idea of fediverse. I really do want a "town square" that's moderated by the community. I would love something like wt.social. or a wikipedia equivalent to Twitter.

Infiltrated_ad8271 , (edited )
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I find it hard to decide who to hate less because both are so ambiguous about their future. Currently threads doesn't allow access to any of their content without signup and using their damn mobile app, while twitter allows free access from any browser.

On the other hand, twitter is recently limiting access without an account, and threads could have a browser version and federation with the fediverse.

dan ,
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As far as I know, a Threads site is coming. It only just launched so not everything is ready yet :)

Teppic OP ,
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I think splitting the user base between them is probably good. Ideally TV/radio will stop defaulting to "tweet us with the hashtag..." They'll have use multiple channels and that might open the door for Mastodon and the fediverse too.

I'll keep saying it, but I'd like to see another big player (Microsoft, Google etc) embrace activitypub. That would bring balance and snub EEE for Meta.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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Considering the stranglehold that huge platforms have on users, it makes a lot of sense for organizations to have their own fediverse servers, with communities and access they control.

For example, a lot of governments use Twitter as a way to communicate in disaster situations. But since Elon lets anyone with a credit card have a check mark and bans people on a whim you can't trust that the account is a real one or that it won't be cut off in time of need. A Mastodon server would solve both of these problems.

Ggtfmhy ,

That’s true, but now you have to remember which server is legit. One benefit of a centralized service is that you have centralized verification, which at one time was a point in Twitter’s favor.

I’m not very well versed in cryptography, but if I understand the certification system for websites, different sites apply to a certificate provider, of which there are multiple. Maybe something like this is possible for the Fediverse? Where a user or community or instance can be “verified” by one or more trusted verification “agencies” or whatever.

Thorned_Rose ,

I wouldn't trust Microsoft as far as I could kick them with their long history of EEE

Bozicus ,

Me neither, but I think the point here is that it is better for the fediverse if there’s competition between Meta and Microsoft as well as competition between each of them and the current fediverse.

Marks ,
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Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
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Nope, should I? I tried firefox and brave.
Anyway, I guess this implies that there is a website nearby, as the other user says.

Marks ,
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Interesting. I do not have a threads account and can see that post and replies.

UnshavedYak ,

Weird, i can. Firefox, Linux.

Doll_Tow_Jet-ski ,

I can't. Also Firefox and Linux. Strange indeed

Edit: Ah, I am un Europe. Nevermind

Teppic OP ,
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Are you in Europe? Threads is blocked in the EU...

Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
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You were right, I changed my location and now I can see it.

LollerCorleone , to Politics in Teen dies in sawmill accident as US states aim to roll back child labor laws
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The "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!" crowd thinks of children as cheap labour.

admiralteal , to Politics in Teen dies in sawmill accident as US states aim to roll back child labor laws

Some more biomass for the orphan-crushing machine.

DarkGamer OP , to Politics in Trump asks for classified documents trial to take place after 2024 election
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Obviously he wants to pardon himself. Trump fancies himself to be above the law, and until now he hasn't had any meaningful consequences for his many illegal and immoral acts.

empireOfLove ,
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He probably also thinks once he becomes president again, executive privileges would apply and he could simply day he is withholding all those documents legally.

DarkGamer OP ,
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I'm sure he will continue to spew self-justifying lies, but that's not how any of this works. The crimes he's accused of are a slam dunk, heaps of evidence, Trump was even bragging about having the classified documents and showing them off to others to self-aggrandize and gain favor, including Kid Rock of all people.

floofloof ,

The courts need to act quickly though, because obviously he will stall for time in the hopes he’ll be president again and able to pardon himself.

DarkGamer OP ,
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The courts need to act quickly though, because obviously he will stall for time in the hopes he’ll be president again and able to pardon himself.

Unfortunately, a felony conviction would not disqualify Trump from running. He could run from prison like Eugene V. Debs did. To disqualify Trump the best bet would be invoking the 14th amendment for having, "engaged in insurrection or rebellion," but that would be unprecedented, it's an open question whether congress could disqualify a presidential candidate, and that's a different matter than the classified documents scandal.

Flaky_Fish69 ,
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I really hate people saying invoking the 14th for his insurrection is unprecedented like the act itself is the problem.

It’s also unprecedented that we have a political candidate that tried to overturn the last election by force of violence (you know, an actual bonafide insurrection).

THAT is the problem- and it’s an unprecedented problem. The 14th established the precedent, and no, trump IS guilty and we all know it- “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal assumption designed to ensure due process and the protection of civil liberties. It is an assumption and not a statement of fact.

DarkGamer OP ,
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I really hate people saying invoking the 14th for his insurrection is unprecedented like the act itself is the problem. It’s also unprecedented that we have a political candidate that tried to overturn the last election by force of violence (you know, an actual bonafide insurrection). ... The 14th established the precedent

That's not what's being said here, and the precedent regarding the 14th probably isn't what you're presuming. From the article I linked above:

The [14th] amendment was invoked one time in more than a century to bar someone from office
There is some historical precedent, as the amendment has been used to bar someone from office — but only once in more than a century.
In 1919, Congress used the 14th Amendment to bar Victor Berger, a socialist from Wisconsin and an elected official, from joining the House because he actively opposed the US entering World War I.
In that case, a special committee convened and concluded that Berger was unfit for office. He was then barred by a simple majority in the Senate and the House. Because of this, some believe congressional precedent shows only a simple majority is needed.
But Congress barring someone from joining its own body is notably different, Kalir said.
"To think that the US Congress could prevent someone from becoming president of the United States other than through impeachment is big — it's a big legal leap."
Berger's case was also 102 years ago, and there has been no use of this section since.
Kalir said if it were invoked today, it could be challenged in court and ultimately take years to play out.

It might be possible, but it's never been done before so it's likely to be challenged and appealed. Since Republicans have corrupted the supreme court I wouldn't hold my breath that this will work, nor do I expect majorities in both houses to uphold the law when it comes to Trump. It should certainly be attempted regardless.

skellener ,
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Then make it unprecedented. This traitor fascist dictator should be in prison now.

assembly ,

Is there a chance that he could push the trial back that far? It shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Imagine he gets re-elected and pardons himself. That is going to make the election insanely stressful for everyone.

Ganondorf ,
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Last I read the judge overseeing the case was appointed by his disgusting self so it depends on how badly the judge cares about a) being a political puppet b) a 77 year old selfish narcissist that will drop them like a rock at the first sign of any trouble.

Entropywins ,
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Judge Cannon has been shutdown by the 11th circuit over the special master she allowed... basically her bosses said what you requested goes against the constitution and she was thoroughly rebuked... imho she has already played her support for trump card and will have to cross all her t's and dot all her i's or she's done for

Flaky_Fish69 ,
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maybe. I'm not holding my breath. the special master thing was pretty stupid though.

skellener , to Politics in Trump asks for classified documents trial to take place after 2024 election
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How about we just have the trial right fucking now!!

MedicPigBabySaver , to Politics in The US supreme court has hijacked American democracy

Nothing will fix that disaster. Americans are so apathetic and the voting game is rigged.

effingjoe ,

I think it's the opposite of apathy. Republicans, as a rule, are perfectly fine with corruption and abuse of power that benefits them. From representatives, down to the random voter in Alabama that lives on welfare and complains about socialism. It's less apathy and more some kind of political nihilism.

Your conclusion is still accurate, though. I don't see the whole country banding together to set things right when half of them don't see anything wrong.

BraveSirZaphod ,
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Exactly this. As someone who grew up in a rural Missouri town that, in 2020, brought out Confederate flags and mimed lynchings at a 15-person Black Lives Matter protest, I know very well that there are a lot of people in this country that want this kind of stuff. Their entire conception of politics is the wielding of power to hurt those that they think deserve it.

Liberals that grew up in Blue suburbs of coastal cities often are comically unaware of just how unfamiliar they are with huge swaths of the country. While there aren't a crazy huge amount of truly fanatical conservatives, those that do exist are extremely loud and extremely politically active. If they're not opposed, they win.

Enthrone ,

I am from New Jersey and have lived in PA for almost twenty years. I also spent three years in STL County for school. These people you described from your hometown are here as well. They’re in abundance everywhere.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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Anywhere outside of a city - really any city, even in blue states - is incredibly conservative. And because land gets votes and not people, this gives conservatives an overwhelming amount of power. Only once in the last thirty years has a Republican won the majority of votes, but thanks to the electoral college they've held the office for almost half the time.

MedicPigBabySaver ,

The people that need to vote & protest really don’t understand their potential power. Like the countless workers who won’t/can’t strike for better $$ & conditions.

blivet ,
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You’re not helping.

Iceblade02 , to Politics in The US supreme court has hijacked American democracy

The entire idea that the law is made by a judge interpreting the text rather than the intent when writing it is such bs. If a law is a problem, rewrite it, that’s why they’re called legislators!

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